27-12-2009, 10:51pm
The actual cost for a spirited Sydney peak hour commuter are as follows. This bike has commuted in peak hour traffic in 40+ and in the wet with no problems so far.
A testament to using the right people to supply, build and tune.
Block
Gen 1 block Gen 2 blocks have had some issues recently, cracking when over bored and hit with a big shot of NOS. The Gen 1 block was sent to APE in the states who bored it to 84mm and re-plated it. I wanted this modified block rebored and plated not just a stock exchange block. Blocks can be had for a couple of hundred depending on condition. Ebay US is a good source. $300.00
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Pistons
No too high in compression so they will run fine on premium, we may even end up playing with them to lower the ratio a bit.
JE 84mm 13.25:1 pistons.
Piston and block kit approx: $1300.00
Plus freight for block to the states and local freight in Australian
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
We ended up running over 13:1 compression which has been fine on premium, the gen 2 head must be helping here as no detonation so far.
Gaskets
Head and base gaskets to suit 84mm bore – cometec $150.00.
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Cams
I chose a reasonable grind, the loss in bottom end and midrange should be compensated by the increase bore.
WEB billet .395/.378 grinds, purchased outright no exchange. $1100.00
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
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Schnitz adjustable cam gears $220.00
Allows dialing in of the cams.
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Brocks cam relocation pin $50.00
http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servle...009/Detail
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Head
The head will be gas flowed locally this is where real gains can be made on the gen 1 and 2 especially with a big motor
Head work $1500.00 plus
This was the final cost. The head guy commented on how much extra flow there was from the gen 2.
Cooling
I will relocate the temp sensor so the fans come on earlier, the alloy blades move more air.
Two Muzzy alloy fan blades $120.00
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Just running alloy blades all else is stock.
Starting
High comp big bore busa motors donâ€t like starting on one battery especially when warm. This kit runs a small secondary gel battery mounted in the side of the tailpiece and charges automatically. No more switches to start/charge.
Tiger racing 24 volt auto start system $300.00
http://www.1st-to-the-finish-line.com/pr...rness.html
For sale 24 volt is not needed on a gen2 even with HIGH compression.
Real rev limit set to 11000 revs.
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ECU Reflash
I will reflash the ECU to increase the rev limit, take out the ignition retard and top speed limiter and set the rev limiter to a hard cut. Smith ECU re-flash hardware kit $240.00
http://www.boostbysmith.com/ecugen2.html
Money well spent, incredible work Pete, my past bike has cost me more on setup than build. Not this time.
Engine Building
Name your price and good luck finding someone who knows what they are doing. $$$$$ Thanks Leonard.
Summary of costs
Second hand modified Gen 1 Block $300
Freight local and to ship the block $100.00
Block and pistons $1300.00
Gaskets $150.00
Cams $1200.00
Cam gears $220.00
Cam pin $50.00
Head work $1500.00
Radiator fans $120.00
ECU reflash hardware $240.00
Engine build less than I quoted originally this may vary for assholes
Tuning less than I quoted originally this may vary for assholes
Total all up you do the math.
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Bruce
I'm not a complete idiot - Several parts are missing.
Would anyone else with a 1441 who is claiming bullshit numbers from a bullshit dyno like to post their costs including copies of all reciepts, happy to post my reciepts.
Call my dyno numbers bullshit
?
See you in Minchinberry. Or do you lack the length?
All up it really equates to $146.00 per hp over stock.
A testament to using the right people to supply, build and tune.
Block
Gen 1 block Gen 2 blocks have had some issues recently, cracking when over bored and hit with a big shot of NOS. The Gen 1 block was sent to APE in the states who bored it to 84mm and re-plated it. I wanted this modified block rebored and plated not just a stock exchange block. Blocks can be had for a couple of hundred depending on condition. Ebay US is a good source. $300.00
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Pistons
No too high in compression so they will run fine on premium, we may even end up playing with them to lower the ratio a bit.
JE 84mm 13.25:1 pistons.
Piston and block kit approx: $1300.00
Plus freight for block to the states and local freight in Australian
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
We ended up running over 13:1 compression which has been fine on premium, the gen 2 head must be helping here as no detonation so far.
Gaskets
Head and base gaskets to suit 84mm bore – cometec $150.00.
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Cams
I chose a reasonable grind, the loss in bottom end and midrange should be compensated by the increase bore.
WEB billet .395/.378 grinds, purchased outright no exchange. $1100.00
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Schnitz adjustable cam gears $220.00
Allows dialing in of the cams.
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Brocks cam relocation pin $50.00
http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servle...009/Detail
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Head
The head will be gas flowed locally this is where real gains can be made on the gen 1 and 2 especially with a big motor
Head work $1500.00 plus
This was the final cost. The head guy commented on how much extra flow there was from the gen 2.
Cooling
I will relocate the temp sensor so the fans come on earlier, the alloy blades move more air.
Two Muzzy alloy fan blades $120.00
http://www.cyanideracing.com.au/
Just running alloy blades all else is stock.
Starting
High comp big bore busa motors donâ€t like starting on one battery especially when warm. This kit runs a small secondary gel battery mounted in the side of the tailpiece and charges automatically. No more switches to start/charge.
Tiger racing 24 volt auto start system $300.00
http://www.1st-to-the-finish-line.com/pr...rness.html
For sale 24 volt is not needed on a gen2 even with HIGH compression.
Real rev limit set to 11000 revs.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECU Reflash
I will reflash the ECU to increase the rev limit, take out the ignition retard and top speed limiter and set the rev limiter to a hard cut. Smith ECU re-flash hardware kit $240.00
http://www.boostbysmith.com/ecugen2.html
Money well spent, incredible work Pete, my past bike has cost me more on setup than build. Not this time.
Engine Building
Name your price and good luck finding someone who knows what they are doing. $$$$$ Thanks Leonard.
Summary of costs
Second hand modified Gen 1 Block $300
Freight local and to ship the block $100.00
Block and pistons $1300.00
Gaskets $150.00
Cams $1200.00
Cam gears $220.00
Cam pin $50.00
Head work $1500.00
Radiator fans $120.00
ECU reflash hardware $240.00
Engine build less than I quoted originally this may vary for assholes
Tuning less than I quoted originally this may vary for assholes
Total all up you do the math.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce
I'm not a complete idiot - Several parts are missing.
Would anyone else with a 1441 who is claiming bullshit numbers from a bullshit dyno like to post their costs including copies of all reciepts, happy to post my reciepts.
Call my dyno numbers bullshit

See you in Minchinberry. Or do you lack the length?

All up it really equates to $146.00 per hp over stock.