Liquid Intelligence Products

[Banter]

Hi All, has anyone used the products from Liquid Intelligence, http://liquidintelligence115.com.au/ the cooling ceaning, gasket repair and waterless coolant look good, any comments?

[bear]

Well, looking at the advert, snake oil springs to mind. A fluid that doesn't boil? Mmmh. Nano particles of? What is the fluid? Organic? There's so much written there that actually says very little. Who has an overheating problem anyway? if you have, there's something basically wrong with the system.
I wonder if they do a toothpaste as well?
Cynical aren't I?

[Tony Nitrous]

I was most disapointed you don't get a free set of steak knives
and something to cut vegetables into funny shapes with it.

[BikerBoy]

One thing I noticed about this....it doesn't actualy say that it works to reduce engine temps but flogs the fact that it can get HOTTER without boiling.
I don't want my engine getting hotter, I want it running cooler.

[Shifu]

Guys, it is wise to keep your mind open a bit. Some of the information there makes a good sense. Highier boiling temperature is a good thing as there definitely areas in the cylinder head that will cause localised boiling of the normal coolant. One thing missing is the information on the heat capacity of that liquid and if it is lower than a water based coolant it would mean that the system can run actually hotter than normal, which is not a good thing though you won't get vapour locks.
The whole analogy of the increased area with the smaller "cubes" makes no sense to me whatsoever as I can not see any connection between that and the cooling capability. Molecules if the coolant are small enough to be considered a nano particles.

[Banter]

Guys, it is wise to keep your mind open a bit. Some of the information there makes a good sense. Highier boiling temperature is a good thing as there definitely areas in the cylinder head that will cause localised boiling of the normal coolant. One thing missing is the information on the heat capacity of that liquid and if it is lower than a water based coolant it would mean that the system can run actually hotter than normal, which is not a good thing though you won't get vapour locks.
The whole analogy of the increased area with the smaller "cubes" makes no sense to me whatsoever as I can not see any connection between that and the cooling capability. Molecules if the coolant are small enough to be considered a nano particles.

Hi Shifu, I sort of get the cube analogy in that if you squash a cube flat its total volume area is far greater than its 3D shape so I think what there trying to say is that the greater amount of heat absorbing particles which they claim are less than 100nm each means that there is a greater absorbance surface than a fluid made up larger heat conductors. I spoke to the Peter Maher from the company and he agrees that although the best coolant is actually water it ability to transfer heat is limited by the surface area, flow and water temp as its thermal efficiency decreases as it gets hotter. I am not really convinced that the product would really make much of a difference on the Hayabusa but the idea is interesting.

[bear]

Liquids are normally made up of atoms bonded into molecules. Water being H2O. A water molecule is about 0.2 nanometer. Or about 1/500 th of the so called nanoparticles in this brew. So by all means keep an open mind, but a closed wallet! A cube squashed flat has exactly the same volume. It's surface area is increased, but we're not talking solids, we're talking liquids, ie molecules.
In a water heat exchanger, yes there are boundary layers, yes there is micro boiling, but they have been very well known facts for a hundred years or more, as have been water cooled engines. They have actually built water cooling systems that work well, and have margins for scaling and blockages. If they don't work, something is wrong! Either gaskets, pumps, thermostats. If they are wrong, replacing water with something else isn't really fixing the problem. peter is right, water does have limitations, but he avoids telling anyone exactly what his material is, and doesn't give any real physical properties for it.
Firepower springs to mind as a similar product!

[Banter]

Liquids are normally made up of atoms bonded into molecules. Water being H2O. A water molecule is about 0.2 nanometer. Or about 1/500 th of the so called nanoparticles in this brew. So by all means keep an open mind, but a closed wallet! A cube squashed flat has exactly the same volume. It's surface area is increased, but we're not talking solids, we're talking liquids, ie molecules.
In a water heat exchanger, yes there are boundary layers, yes there is micro boiling, but they have been very well known facts for a hundred years or more, as have been water cooled engines. They have actually built water cooling systems that work well, and have margins for scaling and blockages. If they don't work, something is wrong! Either gaskets, pumps, thermostats. If they are wrong, replacing water with something else isn't really fixing the problem. peter is right, water does have limitations, but he avoids telling anyone exactly what his material is, and doesn't give any real physical properties for it.
Firepower springs to mind as a similar product!

Firepower, seems a little harsh Bear, totally agree that if your cooling system is overheating no magic fluid is going to fix it but the idea of augmenting older systems with a more efficient heat conductive fluid makes sence. The claim of a 30% increase in efficiently for more modern systems is based on the ability of the conductive material to translate heat more efficiently but again I agree the details on how this works are not there but waterless cooling fluids have been around a long time so the real question is why 115 would be better than Evans or any other similar product. The volume area example tries to explain, probably badly, how the thermal efficiency of a volume of water is less than the collective conductive material in there product.

[bear]

You're right, that is a bit harsh. But I don't understand why the product doesn't have full disclosure. What is it? And show proof through proper testing.

[revhead]

addetives are best left on the shelf or chucked in the bin,if a motor needs them ,then being a mechanic ,id say you need to rebuild your motor, i never add them or use them,as they block up oil galleries and turn to jelly in your sump ,meaning you carry less oil ,meaning engine go bang in a big way! only my 2cents worth

[Banter]

You're right, that is a bit harsh. But I don't understand why the product doesn't have full disclosure. What is it? And show proof through proper testing.

Fair call Bear, if I can find some spare time Ill report back with any information on I can dig up on the chemical make up of the coolant and active parts. From the small amount I have found out its most active part is a fairly well known chemical that's been on the market for some time, this is based on info from the Evans product so Ill approach Liquid Intelligence directly and see if that can shed some more light on there product. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the post.
Banter

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addetives are best left on the shelf or chucked in the bin,if a motor needs them ,then being a mechanic ,id say you need to rebuild your motor, i never add them or use them,as they block up oil galleries and turn to jelly in your sump ,meaning you carry less oil ,meaning engine go bang in a big way! only my 2cents worth

Fully agree Revhead, the only way the fix a mechanical problem is to bring the motor back to speck but once this is done I think there maybe some benefit in the use of after market products that can improve on the original operational parameters of the engine, especially on some of the older motors.