Flash or pc

[De5nake]

Ok I kno this is a big argument starter, but I will b receiving my bricks shortmeg system in the next week or so and I am wondering wether to flash or pc, and what air box should I use cause I've herd the brock runs better with stock air box. Keep in mind I bought factory pro velocity stacks swell, what's my best angle to take on setting up my bike?

[Troopmaster]

Ok I kno this is a big argument starter, but I will b receiving my bricks shortmeg system in the next week or so and I am wondering wether to flash or pc, and what air box should I use cause I've herd the brock runs better with stock air box. Keep in mind I bought factory pro velocity stacks swell, what's my best angle to take on setting up my bike?

De5nake, my K9 runs a Brocks CT 4>1 full Titanium, Standard Airbox with a BMC "Race" Airfilter, PCV, Wideband REciever, XTRE, Map supplied by Brocksperformance.
As for Velocity Stacks, I cant comment.

[CeeJay07]

Send a PM to fasterfaster (Pete @ Pete's Pitstop)

[sutur]

Flash with Pete: he did the same system on the same bike.

Please lemme know if you think the y-pipe is a little imperfect. On my system it's flanged a little too much IMO, the exhaust gases are sealed but it just doesn't look right - not that you'd noticed it once fitted. But it'd help me if I knew that was normal or if I need a genuine system.

[fasterfaster]

Flashing can give you twice as many features at probably half the price. Most that are running PCV had them before flashing hit the floor or they don't have access to some one that does the ECU flash near their location. When I flash an ECU thru the mail I request still that a fuel run be otained as no one can guarantee perfection without having a fuel reading ........ hence as said why some still go the PCV way as some shops will not flash ................ maybe because they don't make enough money out of it or they simply don't wish to learn new ways ?
As a business I could / would make more money out of selling a PCV along with an XTRE than flashing and yet for my money flashing is the only way to go if other means (units) have not been purchased. This is simply based on the fact that I can give the customer far more for far less money so it's win win.
As for an argument ? I think debate may be more appropriate regards the for and against. Flashing does everything except make you a coffee in the morning but at the end of the day it's your bike your money and your call

[De5nake]

So would i need a TRE with flash, and are performace outcomes much different

[fasterfaster]

No TRE needed with flashing and as for performance outcome ?
Correct fueling is correct fueling and it doesn't matter what means you use to obtain it. If it's correct A/F etc then the performance comes with it. It basically boils done to the minimal cost to gain the best and most benefits for your dollar. Flashing cannot and will not give you any more power or performance than any other means used to obtain correct fueling / tuning and set up ............... it just does it with a minimum amount of fuss basically.

[GRUNTMAX]

The ECU Editor software keeps improving every day.
There would also be the time factor in learning how to use the software.
I have not looked lately, but every time I do, there is an improvement.
Pete, for the do it yourselfer, is it now easier to wire up for a flash than it was in the beginning ?

[fasterfaster]

Grunt probably about the same re bike wiring but you can also buy a bench flash unit now that requires no wiring to be placed on bike. As you have said options and functions now with flashing is second to non. The biggest prob for the layman is obtaining fuel readings and the only option is to fit a wide band set up such as an Innovate or a dyno .......... but thats a bit extreme to say the least as you could buy about three bikes for the same money

[De5nake]

Ok so what would b the path for me if i decieded to get you to flash it pete, atm my bike is at a shop that can do air fuel runs

[FalcoPerigri]

Ok so what would b the path for me if i decieded to get you to flash it pete, atm my bike is at a shop that can do air fuel runs

I can only add that Pete has just done(Flashed) my Busa (4-2-1 Akrapovic)and it's a great result from a top bloke. My experience from people offering to go the PC road, is that they seem to be slightly behind the times, or that they are biased against the alternative way of doing things OR that way represents the easiest and most money returns for THEM. It doesn't make them wrong or bad, but this debate/argument is really about what YOU want/prefer. You would be well rewarded by calling Pete and having a discussion about this issue.

[fullbore busa]

There is no more money in either way for a shop , pc's have come down in price to the point that there is no profit in them , either way u are just paying for the price of custom tuning + pc or flashing hardwear .

Mark

[De5nake]

How much do u charge to flash pete?

[simmo]

Flash is the only way to go these days, why waste money on a power commander & all its extra bits you have to buy also when the stock Busa ECU can do it all

I the ECU editor

[fasterfaster]

Give me a call on 0419498858
Cheers

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Flash is the only way to go these days, why waste money on a power commander & all its extra bits you have to buy also when the stock Busa ECU can do it all

I the ECU editor

There is not more one can say that hasn't been said it all comes down to the K I S S principle in the end and there is just nothing else gets even close in the value for money dept.