Making the busa LIGHTER. better round corners/track

[Troopmaster]

Ward has some good points there!

FYI, my K9 has Hel Braided Lines, Brembo Radial master Cyl (Cast, not Billett), Braketech Axis Iron Rotors and Pads, Ohlins Rear Shock ( SU718, Sprung to my Weight), Ohlins GSX/R1000 Cartridges to the Front End (Revalved and Resprung once again to suit me and the Bike, I have spent approx $4k on Susp here at Race Bike Services), Brocks "CT" 4>1 Full Titanium Exhaust, and PCV/Wideband, BMC Air Filter etc etc, cant say I have too many issues keeping up with Gixxer 1000's thru the Adel Hills.
My Jigger is on rails and talks to me thru a set of Bridgestone BT003's, (personal choice ATM, liable to change once I decide to try the Pirelli's).

Like Ward, I say practise practise.

[RaZ]

I found this with my Gen 1, and shorting the wheel base was one of the best mods.
The big issue is trusting the front for corner entry speed, this is where tires (Diablo)
And the braided lines come in. So you can feel the front more and better controlled braking.

One of my mates is a pure smart ass about such things, having a back ground in racing dirt, he for now, settles for a 250 cbr purely to smash 1000, 600, 750`s and of course busa`s simply with cornering speed. The cbr is so light that he can hold awesome corner entry. So through tight stuff he always used to catch me and my other mates and pass us.

My challenge was to corner as fast as him, the setup I had and lots of riding and a wet track day to finish it off and then all of a sudden he was holding me up in corners before the apex!!

I learnt then that the bus a even with its weight can do it, it can corner nearly as good as the more sporty bikes..... just comes down to setup and how much you can push your mind and how well that front end holds :-)

Enjoy!

[grumpy]

I think also alot of it comes down to the rider and not just the bike you,re riding. Ok the busa is heavy and a gizzer 1000 is much lighter but dont put it all down to the bike. I ride with busa,s 1000cc superbikes zx1400s and one bloke on a kawasaki 1400 concours and he cleans us all up all be it he,s and idiot rider. I can clean some of the 1000s up in the twisties on my busa so in the long run you can spend 1000s on your bike but that don,t mean you going to beat the blokes up front. I wish we had superbike schools over here all we got is track days. If they leave you miles behind then i think you have to look at yourself as a rider the bloke on the concours is fast but over a 100k twisty road he gets about half a k ahead he is just hoping off his bike we the rest of us arrive nothing really.

[Shifu]

A lot of valid points from Wardy and Troopy to consider. I got a Gen 2 Busa and the Gixxer 1000 so I will share some comparisons that will take some of the "rider" things away. On my favourite stretch of Gorge Rd here in the hills I am 10 - 15sec faster (timed with a GPS) on a Gixxer than the Busa. That is over 6.5 km distance riding both to my best abilities. Also with other guys on litre bikes - Kawasaki and Gixxers I keep up with them no problems on Gixxer, but on a Busa after few corners they get away. And thats even with a Gixxer's OEM crap rear suspension (springs so soft that is has no sag without me on it) and only front set up right - re-sprang and re-valved for my weight.
Taking the rider's skills out of equasion I put it down simply to the bike's weight. You will loose time under the brakes on every corner as it takes longer to slow down a heavy bike, so must start breaking a bit earlier (both bikes have identical setup with HEL lines, Busa masters and Brembo calipers). Gixxer weighs 189 kg, Busa 233 kg.
Same will apply on the drive out of corner. OK Busa have few more horses, but not enogh to compensate for the mass difference when you consider power to weight ratio of both bikes.
Handling-wise, frankly I can not see that much difference. With the right height setup and 55 profile tires Busa is as nimble as anyhthing. So in conclusion of that lenghty write-up, if you want to beat the 1000's, put a Busa on a diet, set it up correctly (even the OEM parts are OK with exception of front springs as they are way to soft unless you are 75 kg) and learn to ride better. As Pan and Wardy said CSS session - best $500 spent on the bike. Totally agree.

[Belzybob]

Ummm, what about the obvious? Get in front then you won't have to worry about catching up in the twisties.

[Greeny_SA]

A lot of valid points from Wazrdy and Troopy to consider. I got a Gen 2 Busa and the Gixxer 1000 so I will share some comparisons that will take some of the "rider" things away. On my favourite stretch of Gorge Rd here in the hills I am 10 - 15sec faster (timed with a GPS) on a Gixxer than the Busa. That is over 6.5 km distance riding both to my best abilities. Also with other guys on litre bikes - Kawasaki and Gixxers I keep up with them no problems on Gixxer, but on a Busa after few corners they get away. And thats even with a Gixxer's OEM crap rear suspension (springs so soft that is has no sag without me on it) and only front set up right - re-sprang and re-valved for my weight.
Taking the rider's skills out of equasion I put it down simply to the bike's weight. You will loose time under the brakes on every corner as it takes longer to slow down a heavy bike, so must start breaking a bit earlier (both bikes have identical setup with HEL lines, Busa masters and Brembo calipers). Gixxer weighs 189 kg, Busa 233 kg.
Same will apply on the drive out of corner. OK Busa have few more horses, but not enogh to compensate for the mass difference when you consider power to weight ratio of both bikes.
Handling-wise, frankly I can not see that much difference. With the right height setup and 55 profile tires Busa is as nimble as anyhthing. So in conclusion of that lenghty write-up, if you want to beat the 1000's, put a Busa on a diet, set it up correctly (even the OEM parts are OK with exception of front springs as they are way to soft unless you are 75 kg) and learn to ride better. As Pan and Wardy said CSS session - best $500 spent on the bike. Totally agree.

Your being generous with the 75 kg weight Mate , I weigh 75kg & need heavier spring's in the front . I Reckon Suzuki set them up for 50 kg Jockey's with long leg's .

[Landmine]

If your not crashing you don,t know the limit?

[GRUNTMAX]

Brakes ?
http://www.thestopshop.co.uk/index.php
I wonder who's Blue front fender Busa that is ?

If your a rich man, a set of magnesium Galespeeds from Kawasuki Ray.
A lightened n balanced crank from APE, n remove the balancer.
Low ratio 1st gear n high ratio 5th n 6th n down 2 teeth on that rear sprocket. However, don't worry about keepin up with other riders, you'll only come to grief on a public road n end up killin yourself.

[Dave_Harry]

I agree, the rider is the difference. Now that I am a bit older and wiser I know what it feels like to fall off and have no need to experience that again. I have quite sticky dual compound back tires that I am confident with, but doesn't matter what you do to my bike I will probably still be left behind. Give me someone else's bike or a bike that has already been dropped and some really good leathers and I will go faster no dought.

[simmo]

Pan is the Man to ask having the lightest Busa tracky in the country I know of

[GRUNTMAX]

I've been told you should edit the bottom line of your "signature" Simmo as apparently a 8.79 @ 164.4 was done the other day.

[simmo]

I've been told you should edit the bottom line of your "signature" Simmo as apparently a 8.79 @ 164.4 was done the other day.

Thanks I forgot to put a pic of my other toy
Mine is street ridden & on pump fuel mate

[kawasuki]

Pan is the Man to ask having the lightest Busa tracky in the country I know of

He is talking about a street bike or a track bike Simmo

[bigjay]

Pan is the Man to ask having the lightest Busa tracky in the country I know of

He is talking about a street bike or a track bike Simmo

If its a street bike, look my way!!!!! Thanks Ray, she's a featherweight

[GRUNTMAX]

I've been told you should edit the bottom line of your "signature" Simmo as apparently a 8.79 @ 164.4 was done the other day.

Thanks I forgot to put a pic of my other toy
Mine is street ridden & on pump fuel mate

Can it go around corners with the extended swingarm n the lock up clutch