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31-01-2012, 11:44pm
(This post was last modified: 31-01-2012, 11:45pm by Shifu.)
The chain need to be replaced when it is stretched past the specified length (319.4 mm for twenty links) and that usualy happens well before it is "worned out". In my opinion (well aware of opening can of worms here) it is just another useless gizmo squirting oil on the road in a very technologically advanced way. Talk about form over content ......
"The eSystem measures acceleration and vibration in 'G-Force' using a triple axis accelerometer and displays this information on screen allowing riders to monitor activity." WOW that is really good to know
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01-02-2012, 04:40am
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Ah but what causes this "stretch" Shifu??
A chain does not stretch it wears. The elongation of a chain is cause by the wearing of the joints between the links(ie bushing and pins).
This wear (stretching) can be minimised by regularly lubricating and maintaining the chain.
What Tim is offering is product from a reputable manufacturer that is designed to do the work for you so to speak. He is doing this at a discounted price to the members of the forum which he is not obligated to do.
The fact that it shows the accelerometer activity(which is not a bad feature if you need to troubleshoot a fault or just make sure it is funtioning correctly), shows the oil level in the reservoir and a read out for the flow rate, I think it would be a good little bit of gear personally.
But this is my opinion and as the saying goes - Opinions are just like a@#holes, everyones got one!!
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Not heard anything bad about them, and people who have them swear by them. Personally I like to spray a bit of oil on mine, that way I can check for wear etc and have a poke around at other things at the same time
YES PLEASE can you PM me a price as well please tim and thanks
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(01-02-2012, 04:40am)VNSVLE Wrote: Ah but what causes this "stretch" Shifu??
A chain does not stretch it wears. The elongation of a chain is cause by the wearing of the joints between the links(ie bushing and pins).
This wear (stretching) can be minimised by regularly lubricating and maintaining the chain.
What Tim is offering is product from a reputable manufacturer that is designed to do the work for you so to speak. He is doing this at a discounted price to the members of the forum which he is not obligated to do.
The fact that it shows the accelerometer activity(which is not a bad feature if you need to troubleshoot a fault or just make sure it is funtioning correctly), shows the oil level in the reservoir and a read out for the flow rate, I think it would be a good little bit of gear personally.
But this is my opinion and as the saying goes - Opinions are just like a@#holes, everyones got one!!
Cheers
Technically you are correct though the side plates also stretch under the load. However that wear that causes the stretch has to be on the INSIDE OF THE BUSHES where they slide agains the pins (and the pins wear the most) as they roll when engaging the sprockets. That is where the chain is lubricated at the factory and the O-rings, X-rings or whatever else they use protect that lubricant from escaping and dirt getting into. The outside wear bush contribution is that o.4 mm whe calipers contact when you measure it. That is all. So as that gizmo does nothing to help minimise the wear where it really matters, it is just a logical conclusion that it is useless as the pins will wear long before the rollers or sprockets. In fact, oily and sticky chain is a magnet for all sort of dirt and rubish from the road that then get grounded between the rollers and the sprockets only accelerating that what you try to avoid.
My comment about the accelerometer and all these electronics it get saddled with, was only to say that is has nothing to do with its function and is only designed to bamboozle customers into buying it.
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So you are saying that because they are oiled in the factory it never needs to be oiled and oiling a chain is just a pointless venture??
Also that this lubricant will not come out and new lubricant cannot be introduced??
Chain lube's primary job is to lube between the chain and the sprockets. Also to lubricate the moving parts(ie pins and bushes)
As I said in my previous post "The elongation of a chain is cause by the wearing of the joints between the links(ie bushing and pins)".
As a general rule it is best to lubricate your chain while it is warm, for example after a ride, because as the chain cools it draws lubricant past
the o-rings and into the pins and bushes "refilling" the lubricant in this area.
Sorry for causing a ruckus on your thread Tim
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Tim,pm sent re throttlemeister , and i have ordered jack stand .
Please let me know the price on the Scottoiler
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04-02-2012, 10:21pm
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I have a basic Scottoiler on my bike (smk7 i think) and it seems to do the job but i do need to clean the wheel and other surrounding parts once and a while.
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PM me thank mate....