I could be wrong, but I believe that the servo forecourt is a Road Related Area, and as such, all traffic regulations apply. The reason why riders are asked (not compelled) to get off a bike while re-fueling, is because of the possibility of fuel spillage. Most of us older riders have tried it, only to over fill the tank and get chemical burns in the nether regions! As for taking off a helmet, anyone ever heard of common courtesy? When you go to most mechanic shops, there is a sign at the entry to the workshop saying 'Keep Out, authorised employees only'! Do you stand there and abuse the mechanic/owner when they tell you not to come in? I know Rainbow 7 comes up with some random stuff from time to time, however, is that any reason to attack him every time he posts something!
(13-04-2011, 06:57am)Diablo Wrote: I could be wrong, but I believe that the servo forecourt is a Road Related Area, and as such, all traffic regulations apply. The reason why riders are asked (not compelled) to get off a bike while re-fueling, is because of the possibility of fuel spillage. Most of us older riders have tried it, only to over fill the tank and get chemical burns in the nether regions! As for taking off a helmet, anyone ever heard of common courtesy? When you go to most mechanic shops, there is a sign at the entry to the workshop saying 'Keep Out, authorised employees only'! Do you stand there and abuse the mechanic/owner when they tell you not to come in? I know Rainbow 7 comes up with some random stuff from time to time, however, is that any reason to attack him every time he posts something!
Take a breath people!
+1 inc the rainbow paragraph,its also been clear for a while that some members here get others to do their dirty work,instigate and than come and join the bandwagon!!!
after reading this thread again, i just dont get it, i mean surely its not worth the drama its causing just to keep your lid on, i mean it takes 3 seconds to take them on and off, can anyone please explain, why it is so important to keep ya lid on ?? im not posting this with any disrespect intended, i just dont understand the motives behind it?
13-04-2011, 10:13am (This post was last modified: 13-04-2011, 10:14am by Shifu.)
In my humble opinon we get hot under the collar not about the actual removing of a helmet (it is not that big deal) but in a defence of a simple principle. We do not like to be told what to do by our mothers, bosses or governments for a reason that is a pure bullshit (like to prevent a robbery??? in that case). Long time ago Aristotle said that it is a human nature to disobey the laws that are not seen as necessary or reasonable. That is why we ride over 60 km/h limit on multilane roads with little traffic in perfect weather (that is my excuse anyway ) . Simply having these stupid restrictions applied blanketwise makes no sense to us, so we ignore it and we think that we have a right to do it. Our little freedoms are getting taken away one by one - the guns for example because of the crime (how many criminals handed theirs in?). We are feeling f****d over and naturally rebel because it does not make any sense. And what real sense removal of the helmet makes when all the other disquises - hats, sunglasses etc. are OK? Banning them would affect to many and there would be an uproar, but few motorcyclists we can handle because they are going to take it.
So there. I do not mind taking my helmet off, but it has to be my own choice not someones stupid policy. If I am forced, I will resist instinctively even if it doesn't really matter.
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(13-04-2011, 10:13am)Shifu Wrote: In my humble opinon we get hot under the collar not about the actual removing of a helmet (it is not that big deal) but in a defence of a simple principle. We do not like to be told what to do by our mothers, bosses or governments for a reason that is a pure bullshit (like to prevent a robbery??? in that case). Long time ago Aristotle said that it is a human nature to disobey the laws that are not seen as necessary or reasonable. That is why we ride over 60 km/h limit on multilane roads with little traffic in perfect weather (that is my excuse anyway ) . Simply having these stupid restrictions applied blanketwise makes no sense to us, so we ignore it and we think that we have a right to do it. Our little freedoms are getting taken away one by one - the guns for example because of the crime (how many criminals handed theirs in?). We are feeling f****d over and naturally rebel because it does not make any sense. And what real sense removal of the helmet makes when all the other disquises - hats, sunglasses etc. are OK? Banning them would affect to many and there would be an uproar, but few motorcyclists we can handle because they are going to take it.
So there. I do not mind taking my helmet off, but it has to be my own choice not someones stupid policy. If I am forced, I will resist instinctively even if it doesn't really matter.
Don't mind being told what to do mate it's just if you want to be a pr#ck about then I will tell you to get f#cked.
Just wanted to throw this thread out there to see what everyone else's experiences have been like.
And just for the record.
I didn't just have my wallet out, I had the cash out ready to pay and my visor was up if you wanted to see my eyes/face etc.
I just calmly mentioned to the lady what my rights were when she wanted to push the issue - she was the one who went off her rocket not me and I wasn't in the mood so I reacted in kind. In future I would probably just pay and walk off but at the end of the day I (like many others I hope) don't like people thinking they can walk all over me. I guess you really had to be there to make a proper judgement on what my conduct and hers was like.
And mate I'm about 65kgs (that's with all my gear on) so I doubt I would have scared the sh#t out of her - the mohawk on the helmet I've got may have may her a bit nauseous maybe?
To take my helmet off I also have to take my gloves off to put the helmet back on (can't do the buckle up with my gloves on) so I guess it is a bigger inconvenience for me - plus putting my glasses back on takes some time if I'm wearing spectacles at the time.
And it was a Shell in Cairns so no abusing people's families or mates here.
Just for the record - I won't be taking my helmet off anymore - that was just an isolated incident and I've had no dramas with it since then.
I'll admit I don't feel like it sometimes, so just pay at the pump with my visa debit card. Easy. Though if someone wouldn't start the pump and called out I'd prob flick the finger and go to another servo nearby cause that's just silly me thinks.
BikerBoy: I've just spoken to a friend of mine who owns a servo in Sutherland. He says that it is indeed private property. - He has several times had to call the police over people parking overnight on his property, and the police have said they can't do anything because it's private property.
"casting dispersions on others credability." And their illiteracy.
I allways take my helmet off as i clean the visor after filling up , im also goddam good looking and it would be a crime not to share this with the world......
(12-04-2011, 07:26pm)tomrux Wrote: talk about stereotyping, is not assuming that anybody wearing a helmet is out to rob you, just that.
being asked to take of your helmet is being labled as a thief.
I only use servos that dont push this inane condition. Same as not activating pump till you are off the bike. Try and fill a glass on a 20 degree lean I dare ya. all the time i see bikes exploding because sombody sat on while fueling it. NOT
Tom
As long as everyone here realises that they are being labelled a thief by management .. NOT .. the service station attendant.
On the filling up subject .. Im curious, does anyone else fill their bike while sitting on it??
This is a safety issue .. not management being a pratt. Static electricity can jump from the finger to the nearest earth (your vehicle) and ignite the fuel vapours. I know where i'd rather be if there was a fire .. not sitting on the seat with a lap full of flames.
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) . Simply having these stupid restrictions applied blanketwise makes no sense to us, so we ignore it and we think that we have a right to do it. Our little freedoms are getting taken away one by one - the guns for example because of the crime (how many criminals handed theirs in?). We are feeling f****d over and naturally rebel because it does not make any sense. And what real sense removal of the helmet makes when all the other disquises - hats, sunglasses etc. are OK? Banning them would affect to many and there would be an uproar, but few motorcyclists we can handle because they are going to take it. 
- the mohawk on the helmet I've got may have may her a bit nauseous maybe? 
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