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I have decided to give a go for the Trabld oil filter (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V6PHdUcl7o) on my bike 2010 model. It is a remote installation and I have left the original filter still in place and prefer not to make unreversible changes to the engine (drilling new holes or changing the original threads etc.) and not very keen on cutting the holes in the fairing for clearance either just in case it will all turn a pearshape. So far I've managed to avoid all of the above but have a question to the members with more experience as far as the engine builds and oiling goes.
I am taking oil from the main gallery on the LH side (removing the factory pipe that supplies the oil to the sub-gallery and blocking the outlet) and returning it to the sub-gallery on the LH side where originally the oil hose to the cylinder head is attached (relocated it to the other side). So the oil will flow from the main gallery through the filter to sub-gallery. My question is whether this will be safe as far as sufficient supply to the sub-gallery (I am concerned a bit about the flow rate through that filter) and what sort of pressure drop between them would still be OK? Has anyone tried this before? Maybe turbo installations?
Any information/suggestions will be greatly apprecited. Will post some photos when done if anyone interested.
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I'm interested as to why you would do this mod. Given that the Busa engine is pretty much bullet proof as it is and a filter change isnt exactly brain surgery. I like the old adage.... "If it aint broke... dont fix it "
I dont see what advantage you will gain from doing this, especially as you're still leaving the original in place
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(13-02-2011, 03:56pm)Pommie Wrote: I'm interested as to why you would do this mod. Given that the Busa engine is pretty much bullet proof as it is and a filter change isnt exactly brain surgery. I like the old adage.... "If it aint broke... dont fix it "
I dont see what advantage you will gain from doing this, especially as you're still leaving the original in place
I hear you. True enough, I also believe in that old saying. However one must keep an open mind for the new things. Friends of mine in Europe use Hayabusa engines to power their sand buggies, use that filter and suggested a try. Aparently it keeps your oil like it was the day you pour it in. The original filter is only as a backup for now untill I get some results and see for myself how good(or bad it is)
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13-02-2011, 04:33pm
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So how will you detemine how good it really is? I mean guys have over 100,000k's on bikes, so it seems like it will be a very long term experiment.
I'm going to assume you could purchased alot of OEM filters for the price of that one.
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seems to me you are asking for trouble.
Leaving the original in place. if you are not changing it just as reguarily as normal it will glog up and go into bypass mode delivering unfiltered oil to the motor.
if not a replacment for stock why bother.
+1 on "if it aint broke dont fix it"
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We change a lot on our bikes that aren't broken, don't we? If it ends up improving things, then it's worth knowing about.
Looks like you're the prototype, so you're not likely to get anything from the rest of us. Can't you put it all together and bench test it while monitoring the oil pressure?
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My interpretation of oil degredation is the fact with use its lubrication properties decrease, the filter doesn't change the chemical/mineral composition of the oil. The filter merely filters out solid contaminants, I could be mistaken but I've been in the car trade for a considerable time. If your fitting a busa engine to a sand buggy for example then yes, as you would probably be running a dry sump system due to the nature of what you're doing with the buggy... ie off roading, getting air time etc in which case it would be the go. Anyway good luck..
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I would need to be sure it will not place any restriction in the oil flow. Longer pipes oem filter plus remote filter and smaller micron all suggest restrictions. Also need to look at oil draining during non run times causing starvation on startup.
How often does the new filter and oil need replacing?
seems like a lot of work for no apparant reason...I wasn't aware that the filtering system on the busa needed improvement (pretty much the same as most bikes on the road isn't it?)....but if it's what you wanna do, go for it and best of luck.
watched up to 2.52 min mark and had to stop as that guys voice was just annoying , cant see why i need an extra filter ?? but loos like a fun install best of lick with it mate
You're a better man than me BK.......I got to 54 seconds then wanted to slap him....sounded like he was just waffling on with no real idea at all.
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(14-02-2011, 07:29am)big kev Wrote: watched up to 2.52 min mark and had to stop as that guys voice was just annoying , cant see why i need an extra filter ?? but loos like a fun install best of lick with it mate
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My take on this is .... if it aint broke don't fix it , fingerprints cause more problems than any other single item on these bikes...
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Thanks everyone for their input. It seems we have more philosophers than mechanics among our midst
Sorry for putting you through that video. Have to admit I had no patience to watch it to the end myself. It really makes you feel like
.The filters though are really good and I know it first hand from people who use them and I trust them as they are no bull*@#t artists (proven and checked many times).
The reason I am doing it is the drive to make it better I guess. Have not seen anything yet that can not be improved one way or another. I had the OEM filter on my bike for the whole 17 km from the dealer to my garage. Those who read the info on the filters I sent out while ago will understand why. In my opinion the filter is much more important than the oil we are using and one that filters only 70-90% of stuff that is bigger than the assembly clearance in the bottom end, is definitely not good enough. I will experiment with it and let you know the results
I have installed the pressure gauges before and after to monitor the flow rate but it would be good to know what is the minimum the sub galery needs to work safely.
Thanks again to everyone who took the time to respond.
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