Fake Pazzo's

[Greeny_SA]

The OEM Levers are cast & Break easily ,So whats the difference ?

[amcmo]

i would ask you show some relevence to your post here mate , so what if these cheep asian pazzo's are poor castings , thats totally up to the person , im pretty sure that most or all of bike riders know whats crap and whats not , so whats the relevence with this thread , i have a set of pazzo long , a set of CRG and im looking at another lot that fold up , it there shit and they break then i wont buy them again im sure most riders work on the same system lol

its the same with just about anything to do with motorcycleing if its shit or the supplier or the shop is shit then usually no 1 touches them and they cop a hideing on forums , and they usually go broke

I posted a warning as a result of what we had found from our evaluation. Figure'd it's best to let guys know than have them spend their hard earned finding out. From calls we get, a reasonable number of guys do get caught by inferior product or lack of local warranty supportand I'm not just talking about young guys new to the scene.

I went a little off thread as one other poster compared to the Brit bikes and their alloy, something I have first hand knowledge of.

I'll keep my trap shut.

[big kev]

i would ask you show some relevence to your post here mate , so what if these cheep asian pazzo's are poor castings , thats totally up to the person , im pretty sure that most or all of bike riders know whats crap and whats not , so whats the relevence with this thread , i have a set of pazzo long , a set of CRG and im looking at another lot that fold up , it there shit and they break then i wont buy them again im sure most riders work on the same system lol

its the same with just about anything to do with motorcycleing if its shit or the supplier or the shop is shit then usually no 1 touches them and they cop a hideing on forums , and they usually go broke

I posted a warning as a result of what we had found from our evaluation. Figure'd it's best to let guys know than have them spend their hard earned finding out. From calls we get, a reasonable number of guys do get caught by inferior product or lack of local warranty supportand I'm not just talking about young guys new to the scene.

I went a little off thread as one other poster compared to the Brit bikes and their alloy, something I have first hand knowledge of.

I'll keep my trap shut.

i didnt ask you to shut up , what im asking is that you make a post and it has its merrits but do you have photographic everdince to back up your claims that they are an inferior product , thats all im asking of you ,

i think its fair if you post up you back it up as well

[Rainbow7]

Figure'd it's best to let guys know than have them spend their hard earned finding out.

[BLACKZOOK]

OK so now (no offence guys) we have two guys who openly have vested interests backing each other up posting negative comments about an inferior product.

One has afiliations with a vendor selling Pazo's the other I'm sure is about to post up an alternative product for sale at a special club discount.

Is someone here going to supply any proof at all that the inferior cast product is dangerous and worse value for money?

Is that not what its all about? "Value for money"?

Prove that the cheap Chinese product is dangerous. If they are unsafe but have sold thousands then where are the complaints on forums about their failures?

[Rainbow7]

OK so now (no offence guys) we have two guys who openly have vested interests backing each other up posting negative comments about an inferior product.

One has afiliations with a vendor selling Pazo's the other I'm sure is about to post up an alternative product for sale at a special club discount.

Speaking for myself, Zook, I really don't care which brand of levers anyone buys. What I do care about is whether or not the products being bought are safe to use, and I do not believe that the Chinese-made levers are safe. That is my sole interest here.

I note that you yourself have just said that the competing products are inferior. - Why wouldn't we post comments about products that may be inferior?

Also, I have no "affiliation" with anyone. I like the products they sell, that's all.

[Bill Gaheer]

Without supporting anyone below are the facts, i use to run a machine shop and also a casting foundry...

Sand Casting: Means that a mould is created in a clay/sand mixture and hot metal is poured into the mould - usually this was the process used for many years to make old brit bikes i.e. Royal Enfield Bullet
Pressure Die casting: Die casting is a metal casting process that is characterized by forcing molten metal under high pressure into a mold cavity - most of the engine components are made this way.
Billet Process: Special grade Aluminium is used and under extreme pressure moulded in the shape - with very little heat compared to the above process - high cost components usually after market are Billet.

I would never buy the sand casted brake levers.. period

I am ok with Pressure die casting ( I think face Pazzos are made via this process)

Best is the Billet Aluminium..

I hope this ends the debate.

[big kev]

bill it wont stop this debate mate , i have never seen factual everdince of a chinesse lever broken todate , you can say all you like about rider saftey and quality but untill i see factual proof that they are dodgy then the thread is just a bunch of shit , you have a supplier on here bagging the f*** out of a product , he has a vested intrest in this thread as he sells a similar product him self , hes not once put up and evedience to prove his post holds water ,

is this what this forum has become ?? vendors slagging other products to make sales , you done see me slagging off a vendor on here whom offers seat covers for bikes ,

AMCMO please post up photos and case studys to prove your post holds wather , im happy to back you in your opinion if you can do so but if you cant then this thread should be scraped

[Bill Gaheer]

Yes Kev,

I agree - AMCMO I couldnt understand the reason for your post. Kev if you see my post I do agree with Pressure die casted Alloy - I think they are alright to use - almost all the modern cars and motorcycle engine shells and components etc are made that way.

Also every thing in life has a use in period including humans... so guys lets end this debate and move on.... Good night.

[amcmo]

Yes Kev,

I agree - AMCMO I couldnt understand the reason for your post. Kev if you see my post I do agree with Pressure die casted Alloy - I think they are alright to use - almost all the modern cars and motorcycle engine shells and components etc are made that way.

Also every thing in life has a use in period including humans... so guys lets end this debate and move on.... Good night.

Reason for the post - a number of people on this forum and others had been comparing the price of Pazzo etc to Chinese product and making statements that they couldn't see the $$ difference.

My comment was intended to address that. There is a world of difference between cast and billet. I did not say the cast were dangerous (I do believe they are inferior). I could have worded one statement a little better when I said that poorly cast alloy products had been known to break. That was not aimed specifically at levers, just commenting on that issue on any poorly cast item. Our tests showed some cast products and my comment was on that fact. We have not tested beyond that point to determine quality of casting or otherwise, we just checked the process to ensure we were comparing apples and apples.

Someone said they believed Pazzo was pressure cast - the unit we have checked ( a scratched one left over from our stock) was definitely billet.

Someone has stated that it was a matter of two people with a vested interest putting down competing product. I haven't seen Rainbow bagging any product or vendor in his coments on this thread. I have not 'bagged the F*** out of any competing product, or any vendor on this forum in this thread, contrary to one claim, simply made a statement about the manufacturing process we found in some product we evaluated.

I am not about to list a competing product on the forum - we're some time away from that. When we do have a product to offer we will do so on it's merits, without any need to bag any competing product, as we have with other product we sell.

Finally - No, I will not post pics of our assessment of the competing product. We have processes for evaluating product we consider to be a part of our competitive edge. If anyone considers that makes the post a load of shit, feel free.

[Rainbow7]

Someone said they believed Pazzo was pressure cast - the unit we have checked ( a scratched one left over from our stock) was definitely billet.

If you mean Bill's post, he mistyped "fake" as "face", so he was actually talking about the cheapies, not genuine Pazzos.

[Bill Gaheer]

AMCMO.

Thank you for the reply, a common man will review the price and compare the product and I dont expect all to know the difference between Billet and Pressure die casting.
For most of the online thread posts/questions/reasoning/increasing our general knowledge etc - I think google / wikipedia is the answer. I would also like to thank you for making us aware that our thinking was wrong but in the end - this could have been done as you said in a better way.

Anyway lesson learned for many of us including me.

Cheers mate.
Keep the good stuff on.
Bill

[fasterfaster]

Have just donated a set of "Fake" Pazzos for the Tathra Bash so maybe the boys can road test them whilst their bench racing over a few beers
Noted here also AMCMO has now removed his specials along with his line of products and I'd say never to return from the posting
How convenient for some is that ?

[amcmo]

Let's make it very clear that the comment about the fakes was not targeted at fasterfaster. I have not seen his product, therefore cannot comment. As said earlier, the post was not aimed at any vendor on this forum.

Have absolutely no idea what is meant by 'convenient for some'

[Remsta]

OK so now (no offence guys) we have two guys who openly have vested interests backing each other up posting negative comments about an inferior product.

One has afiliations with a vendor selling Pazo's the other I'm sure is about to post up an alternative product for sale at a special club discount.

Is someone here going to supply any proof at all that the inferior cast product is dangerous and worse value for money?

Is that not what its all about? "Value for money"?

Prove that the cheap Chinese product is dangerous. If they are unsafe but have sold thousands then where are the complaints on forums about their failures?

You took the words right out of my mouth Bruce.
As soon as I started to read this thread, I started to wonder what the motivation for it was.
I knew it wouldn't take rainbow long to join in and sure enough he did.
And now the latest comment by amcmo, "Finally - No, I will not post pics of our assessment of the competing product. We have processes for evaluating product we consider to be a part of our competitive edge."
Doesn't that sound like a pile of verbal diarrhea.

amcmo, if you won't post photo's of a lever being hit with a hammer in fear of losing your competitive edge, how about you merely post a few links to this "disturbing information" that you have found.