Bikers looking out for one another - Opinions most welcome

[big kev]

Admins are people Kev, it isn't fair to expect that we wouldn't have an opinion. When ever an admin expresses a personal opinion (as opposed to an admin decision), they tend to get slammed for not being impartial. If we were forced to temper our opinions all the time, don't you think we would have a lot less fun on the site? Isn't that why we joined the club in the first place, and isn't the reason we are admins is so we can help the health of the club? Is it really fair to expect a small group of people to behave all the time when everyone else seems to think they can say and do whatever they want, specially when they are drunk and just 'stirring the pot'?

When we are being admins, we discuss every decision and nothing is done without consent from other admins. When we are being us, surely we should be given a bit of rope? Volvi expressed a personal opinion on this thread, as did I. We were not being admins, we were being club members.

If you would like (another) rule, we can put (admin) beside our names when we are moderating. I tend to do that already, but it might remove this issue.

good point heidi . i didnt slam any 1 for not being impartial heidi . its just my opinion . take care

[bazman]

.....but there is one (BIG) part of this thread that irks me just a little (ok...ALOT)!

Had the new owner have been just a little bit more OPEN about exactly WHO and WHERE he bought the bike from (ie: from an insurance company....by way of auction), I am sure the responses would have been a bit different !!!

I suspect (but obviously cannot prove) that the new owner (possibly from previous phone/email discussions?) knew full-well that the former owner is a member here.....

To which begs the question.... "was this thread (and the omission of such an important part thereof) a deliberate act, designed to manipulate club members into shaming a fellow club member, so that the current owner can get as much as he wants for as little outlay as possible"?!?

If this is the case, then I feel it reeks of very little INTEGRITY (or none at all)!

So, IMO, if someone wants an honest opinion (& there's no shortage of them here, lol)......they should try to be just a little bit more open and honest and give a FULL account of the whole story (omitting an obvious fact that is detrimental to the over-all story could be construed as a form of dishonesty!).

Over to you, jimmy......am keen to hear your (full) input on this.....

[Bill Gaheer]

Hi All,

This thread can be a excellent case study for any management student and also in any Sr. Management Training program.

We had a new member jimmylyons (he is yet to introduce himself....formally) who bought a Busa from Insurance Company. He did mentioned that previous owner contacted him - (I took it for granted that he bought the busa as a Insurance writeoff from company) few people took it other way. In any condition - the information was incomplete - we all have access to view profile and yet we all became so involved in the problem discribed that we missed the bigger picture.

I know Troy (good bloke) and have seen him couple of times in WA Coffee meets, I dont know jimmylyons but I am not against him.
We Busa riders are a very small community and due to this group - online club we always end up knowing the person.

I know whatever was written about the bloke who charged $100 for key is out of compasion for the Busa and the new owner without knowing the complete facts. The Admins who commented - commented as users and not admins.

I tend to agree with BAZMAN's last comments but still I am not against Jimmy, we dont know what made him buy a insurace writeoff instead of a brand new bike - everyone wants to save money - but its only relative to what you make.

I did write to Troy last night, after his post - but thats between him and me.

One thing is for sure, this only shows our compasion towards the club and its members, Troy dont feel bad as you noticed moment they knew it was you - people's reaction changed.

Cheers,

Bill

[jimmylyons]

Hey all,

I started this thread because I was asked to pay for a spare key which was no longer of any use to previous owner. I had no intentions of naming anyone, just thought that he would read it and see from responses its not cool to make money out of a spare key.
In short, I bought the bike from Manheim auctions with 1 key as is and was happy to get started putting it back together. Anyway I met Troy at the auction and was informed by him that he used to own the bike (which was fine).
Following that I jumped on here asked a few q's regarding parts and was messaged by Troy about bits and pieces, which I was grateful for, and which I said that I was happy to pay for. I questioned the $100 price tag on the spare key which I stated in an email " was of no use to him " to which I got a reply that "I was getting a very cheap key".
As I mentioned before, I bought the bike as is and was happy to restore as I bought it thinking that there was no other keys for it floating around. After I questioned the key and got that response I saw red and felt I was been taking advantage of.
I'm sure Troy is a good guy and most of you guys know him but if you look at it from my point of view and put urself in my shoes, how would you have taken it?
Troy thought he was doing the right thing, but if he wanted the extra $100 should have put it in with prices of other parts which I was more than happy to pay for. Its not about money!!
I feel like I have started my time on here as a trouble maker, but was just looking for an opinion. I don't see how there is two sides to the story. Its quite simple.
I'm not one to hold grudges, I just want to get my bike on the road.

Jimmy

[[UNIT]]

Personally I wouldn't want to pay for a key for my bike. When it comes down to it, it's a tad rough but I guess you didn't buy it with that key.

I hope you two make an agreement.

Btw I don't think ur a trouble maker. U only asked opinions, and if everyone said it's fair I think u would have left it as that or visa-versa.

[#CAS#]

What a laugh, you guys all thought the key holder was a scum bag, but when it was announced that he was a fellow member you couldnt back pedal fast enough so as not to appear that you said anything bad about the member.

When my car was stolen the insurance company wanted ALL keys I had to the vehicle, Im sure the same would be if it was written off.

The previous owner contacted the new owner and offered the key for sale, the new owner didnt know there was another key floating around. In my opinion the previous owner should send it to him in good faith, rather than try to make money from his insecurity that someone could come and take his bike.
Just because the previous owner has been a member here for longer than the new owner doesnt make his actions acceptable.

[grumpy]

whenever i sell a bike all keys go with that bike along with manuals and any bits and pieces i have taken off the bike i would have thought that you would naturally pass all the keys over to either the bike shop or the new owner even if you came across the spare key abit later seems to be the biker thing to do. dont turn around to the new owner and say that used to be my bike wanna buy the spare key off me what a tosser it,s just not the done thing.

[Camel]

Jimmy,

just on the bike. I saw the bike after Troy's incident. Have you checked the frame for cracks? Particularly around the top of the steering head. Might need magnafluxing or similar NDT.

Camel

[Leviathan]

Ok, this has been become a mountain made out of a mole hill.

I wasn't consciously trying to be malicious, exploitive or play on anyone's insecurity. I never demanded anything, only asked based on what I thought was reasonable and with what I would be happy to pay myself. As with any sale / purchase everything is negotiable, unfortunately in this case we never got that far.
I have bought & sold items on this forum previously without complaint in the past.

It is sometimes very hard to interpret feelings or emotions through emails. I can guarantee all of you that if I was given the chance to talk this through over the phone / over a beer I would have done whatever was needed for both myself & Jimmy to walk away happy. If that resulted in me handing the key over for nicks then so be it, that's the way these things go. Rest assured, I do not go around trying to upset people, the world is too small and life is too short.

This was a private sale / purchase negotiation and, as far as I was concerned it was still in progress. I am quite disappointed it has ended up on the forum. Whatever the intentions of the initial post, I don't have ill feelings towards Jimmy. I just wished he would have tried to sort it out with me personally.

Coincidentally, I received a phone call from my insurance company yesterday morning. They questioned the location of the spare key & books. I have arranged for their assessor to contact me so that he come and pick them up.

Just for the record, below are the forum PM's and private email correspondence between myself and Jimmy. I sent Jimmy 4 emails of pics on Feb 5, the last one is below.

Cheers
Troy


Hi Jimmy,
I spoke to you at the auctions, I used to own the Busa you purchased. Good to see you found your way to the forum. There's a lot of good info on here.
Anyway, I have a few OEM / stock bits and pieces lying around here that I was going to sell.
If you're interested in taking the lot I'm sure we can negotiate a good price. Let me know, I can send photo's if you like.
Rear seat
Pillion grab rail
Windscreen
Exhaust cans
oil cooler guard
2 pieces of the black plastics from under the nose cone section
tool kit
owners manual
spare key
Cheers
Troy


Hows it goin Troy,
Yeah made it on eventually, have been spending a bit of time on ebay picking up bits and pieces. I am just waiting on delivery of parts, and if only I had known you had manual etc. I bought a 99 - 07 manual which would be quite similar to assist me in assembly.
I certainly would be interested in a few of the bits i.e. spare key, owners manual, nose fairing plastics etc.
Are you far from the city? I would be interested in having a look at those bits and pieces or if its easier for you flick a few photos on to me.
Cheers
Jimmy

Jimmy,
I've got some pics of the various bits, please send me an email & I'll send them to you. Our email address is: jlshell@hotmail.com
Cheers
Troy

4 Feb 2010 22:09:31 +0800Hi Troy,
Caught up with work lately and haven't had a chance to check Busa site. Would be great if you could forward me on some pics.
Cheers
Jimmy

Feb 5, 2010 at 8:13 AM,
Jimmy, last one
1st: Pillion seat & grab bar
2nd: Windscreen (taken off after 1000Km service)
3rd: Stock pipes (taken off after 1000 Km service, wrapped up ever since)
4th: OEM toolkit, Service / warranty book (bike is under warranty until April 16 2010), Owners manual, Spare key
Cheers
Troy

7 Feb 2010 14:54:39 +0800
Subject: Re: Busa Parts
Troy,
Thanks for photos and I'm interested in the majority of the stuff, only a shame I didn't know about it weeks back. I bought a few bits and pieces on ebay i.e. screen, pillion seat etc, but as I mentioned, I'm intersted in taking the majority.

Tool kit spare key service book owners manual, guards, wheel strips etc.
What kind of money are you looking for bits?
Cheers
Jimmy

10, 2010 at 6:02 PM,
Hello Jimmy,
Key $100,
Inner cowlings $15 each
Oil cooler guard $20
Toolkit $30
Rim stripes $25 (cost $43)
Hardened aluminium sheet to make radiator guard $30 (cost me $50)
throw in service / warranty book & owners manual

Stuff you already have I'll most likely post up on the forum or ebay
Screen $60
Pillion seat $60
Grab rail $90
Exhaust cans $100
Cheers
Troy


13 Feb 2010 16:25:54 +0800
Subject: Re: Busa Parts
Alright Troy,
Sounds good, just curious why the spare key for the bike is $100. Surely its of no use to you. The rest of the stuff I'm happy to pay for.
Regards
Jimmy

Feb 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM,
Hello Jimmy,
Ok, I am asking $100 for the key because that is well below replacement cost if you were to buy one from Suzuki. I am aware of a Gen II Busa owner that was charged $267 in QLD for a replacement key. I thought $100 was very cheap.
I have given good prices for all the other stuff as well. I looked up the OEM part numbers on USA websites, these are the US prices and don't include shipping:
Inner cowlings $23.34 each
Oil cooler guard $35.87
Toolkit $52.23
Essentially everything is half new price and you are not paying shipping.
Cheers
Troy

15 February 2010 2:56:47 PM
Alright Troy,
As I mentioned before more than happy with everthing, just didn't expect a key to be so pricey. Anyway I nearly have her back on the road, just waiting on a new tripple clamp, (old one had a slight twist in it). So at some stage in order to put finishing touches on her I'd like to get bits and pieces if your available.
Cheers
Jimmy

[Volvi]

Humm. vely intalesting. Some points:

Jimmy should have mention what he bought was from an auction in an "as is" condition. This would have changed some attitudes and responses to his post.

Most of us have all been in a insurance jobby with leftovers being of interest to new buyer. And Troy is 100% right in wanting some monies for properties that was not included in the auction that he deemed his own and which could be offloaded to other parties.

However.......

But.......

Not the spare key!!! Troy imho went overboard with his key 'price'. Yes it may have a value but intrinsically it belongs to the original machine and has no monetary value to ANYONE other then the purchaser. This item could NOT have been offloaded for monies elsewhere and if offered for monies to the new owner it was "to take advantage" of the situation. And to this I say 'it was mean spirited' and I say this even if Troy is a wonderful guy but on this particular item and matter he slipped up big. I too have sold cars, bikes and sometimes come across the spare key only much much later after the sale and what do I do? I search for the new owner to post him the spare without so much as a glancing thought of trying to make a buck on it, Id even forgo the postage it cost me, because I will always believe this key is of no use to anyone other then the new owner and key 'belonging' to the machine I sold him.

Troy has every right in seeking some monetary compensation for all his items............all except the key and I would say without hesitation the vehicles handbook. On this Troy imo you slipped up and perhaps got carried away with the whole issue without realising 'some lines' that imho you crossed, wittingly or unwittingly. I dont think it would be wrong to admit being in error even if just morally in error, by saying sorry I should have thought more on the issue then I did. And I would willingly and happily offer up said items for nix but a handshake of mateship. But thats just my opinion, you nor anyone else have to agree with me.

[Tony Nitrous]

Volvi,

100% spot on.
Im suprised anyone even thinks otherwise.

[Landmine]

I am not happy at the idea that an insurance write off can be purchaced repaired and reregisted. Who knows some one many buy this bike with serious faults unresolved.

[[UNIT]]

There are 2 types of writeoffs.
Repairable. And statutory.
They get evaluated before auction to solve your worry.

No need to be unhappy

[Camel]

There are 2 types of writeoffs.
Repairable. And statutory.
They get evaluated before auction to solve your worry.
No need to be unhappy

Evaluated by whom? I've bought bikes at auction that should have been statutory writeoffs and others that should not have.

IMO any Busa that has had a front end smack should be professionally tested for fractures, particularly around the top of the steering head.

Camel