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Not for my benefit (ofcourse) but wouldn't you run the same rules as Qld is running? "Chicago Shootout" style? Just incase the bracket becomes national ?
See the above Rule for clarification.
The way I see it the 2 top qualifiers get to knock each other out first round......this is not right, as the bracket is 9.0, they should be rewarded for their efforts.
Anyway it's not up to me, its up to you guys to decide, if you try to make it fair for everyone you'll end up with DYO.
Leonard.
(07-08-2009, 07:43pm)Legend Wrote: Not for my benefit (ofcourse) but wouldn't you run the same rules as Qld is running? "Chicago Shootout" style? Just incase the bracket becomes national ?
See the above Rule for clarification.
The way I see it the 2 top qualifiers get to knock each other out first round......this is not right, as the bracket is 9.0, they should be rewarded for their efforts.
Anyway it's not up to me, its up to you guys to decide, if you try to make it fair for everyone you'll end up with DYO.
Leonard.
Just like qld is the go!
in a round robin, or chicargo shoot out, no body gets knocked out
they come back for a second round ? If we keep the numbers
under 16 that is! otherwise yes one of the top qualifers in eliminations
would be knocked out, i agree!
i think we share the same idea.
except if we were to keep the track champion ship as a chicargo shoot out, so we all get a days racing.
(this is what we all want?) then would be better to see
close racing?
encourage the slower guys to pick up there pace, instead of pissing them off with constant looses to the top qualifier and seeing them drop out and our numbers fall away to a point
were wsid doesnt see it viable to continue the class? cuase only the top
5 runners turn up?
do you see were i am going with this, just for the early days ?
it's all about keeping the entrant numbers for a year to prove
it is viable to run. hopefully wsid and andra decide to pass the class
and then other bikes get built to compete, then happy days
we seed the rounds as per the rule book etc.
Maybee i should just worry about my self and Fark every one else?
would ps/b survive in nsw if we all thought like that?
we just dont have the numbers yet.
I can see what the picture is now.if the fastest runs the slowest the highest probability is for the fastest 2 guys to only meet up in the final which is how it should be.if a 9.5 bike runs 10+ sec bikes in the 3 rounds he gets 3 wins and 6 points.if a 9.1 second bike runs 3 9.0 second bikes and loses each time he gets 3 losses and 3 points.the 2 guys in the final got there on points FIRST, they both had 6 points,and et,as a second consideration.So a 9.5 second street bike gets into the final because he runs softer opposition to the true prostreet guy who has possibly on average the third quickest bike in the class.this leaves the class open to sandbagging.the final should be run by the fastest 2 bikes on an average of the three heats,everyone still gets their 3 heats but the fastest 2 should run the final.Imagine being knocked out of the final contention by running a 9.05 to a 9.02 when the final is run with a 9.5 bike and the guy that beat you by 3 hundredths.
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My opinion is that the top 8 runs the bottom 8, so theres not a 9.0 vs 10.5 in the final most of the 10.5 guys are just there to get the extra passes anyways, which is our benefit at the beginning but when we get numbers up they will be the ones whinging cos they always get smashed, it's a 9.0 class afterall. theres at least 5 contenders here and more in QLD, we'll have more support than comp bike ATM in national rounds, just my 2c.
And Rob, you said spectators want to see close racing? the are no spectators at bracket meets, just mates of racers....
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(07-08-2009, 09:00pm)rctunesit Wrote: (07-08-2009, 07:43pm)Legend Wrote: Not for my benefit (ofcourse) but wouldn't you run the same rules as Qld is running? "Chicago Shootout" style? Just incase the bracket becomes national ?
See the above Rule for clarification.
The way I see it the 2 top qualifiers get to knock each other out first round......this is not right, as the bracket is 9.0, they should be rewarded for their efforts.
Anyway it's not up to me, its up to you guys to decide, if you try to make it fair for everyone you'll end up with DYO.
Leonard.
Just like qld is the go!
in a round robin, or chicargo shoot out, no body gets knocked out
they come back for a second round ? If we keep the numbers
under 16 that is! otherwise yes one of the top qualifers in eliminations
would be knocked out, i agree!
i think we share the same idea.
except if we were to keep the track champion ship as a chicargo shoot out, so we all get a days racing.
(this is what we all want?) then would be better to see
close racing?
encourage the slower guys to pick up there pace, instead of pissing them off with constant looses to the top qualifier and seeing them drop out and our numbers fall away to a point
were wsid doesnt see it viable to continue the class? cuase only the top
5 runners turn up?
do you see were i am going with this, just for the early days ?
it's all about keeping the entrant numbers for a year to prove
it is viable to run. hopefully wsid and andra decide to pass the class
and then other bikes get built to compete, then happy days
we seed the rounds as per the rule book etc.
Maybee i should just worry about my self and Fark every one else?
would ps/b survive in nsw if we all thought like that?
we just dont have the numbers yet.
Rob, Its a "PRO" class after all and should be treated as such, so if you lose the slower bikes thats life, they can go back to Modbike and hope to get through rounds to get there's "days racing" all the while the PSB guys are getting 6 Passes with a chance for a 7th. You only need 6 bikes to make a class anyway.
Question: why didn't you leave the index at 9.5 as was first planned?
Wouldn't that entice slower riders?
I didn't see anyone complain when you got it put down to 9.0.
Give it a go Rob, I'm sure you'll get your 6 riders and more.....
Once again not my decision, its up to ALL you guys, I just hate to see hard work and dedication not rewarded.
Leonard.
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agrees with Leonard on this one. Once you have 16 it will be eliminations and should the class be accepted by andra as a national class then the chicago format will disappear and the eliminations will be like group 2 comp bike where no1 & no2 qualifier get rewarded for there qualifying et's. Also if you have more than 16 nominated and you were not capable of a sub 10 pass why would you fork out 150 to run pro street when u have more chance of more runs in mod bike.
class is going well so keep racing at the track and forget about the what if's on forums. keep the numbers and run as fast as you can and if your on the right side of the 9.0 index and cross the line 1st you will smiling and if you go 8.99 u will still be grinning like a cheshire cat.
have fun.
Ian. (in hibernation over here in our winter months (wa)
Rob in response to your now edited post where the question was what happened to OSB.
IMHO Outlaw was a great format that was let down by people who were gunna build this and that but never did. I stopped running OSB because some leveraged the rules to their own advantage - against the spirit of the event.
A few of us supported it and ran every event even tho we were "cannon fodder" as some call it, but were happy to run anyway. We were running against the big boys and at times kept them honest. I have a very fond memory of eliminating a prominet 7 second bike at Heathcote - he was slightly off his game in that round.
I realised the impact of his loss and walked over to apologise, his response was "I relaxed and you beat me dont apoligise for winning mate it might even be good for others to see that anyone can win and encourage more to give it a go". A gracious winner and looser a very rare thing.
Even cannon fodder can affect the event result or even the champoinship for that matter, we all want to win but isnt just being there trying your hardest the point of racing?
I said that I would dust off the turbo for this new class but the more I see the more of the same it seems to be, so I might just stick with the 250 and trackdays where the whole point is to have fun.
My 2cents.
9.00 is the leveller. Exactly what Leonard said. Lay on the tank and run your 9.00 and win. Doesn't matter what your on, run what you brung, thats what its all about, heads up without bullshit rules. The only reason I put the 9.00 in there was to keep it in reach of the majority.
I'd love to see a 9.5 V Twin class and an open class "non indexed" under the same three rules, but we don't live in the united states.
Queensland will run two more meetings seeded as per our first meeting and then we will be going to a maximum 16 bike field and seeded as per the group 2 ladder. Qualify in or go on the trailer. This is definately how the class will operate if it ever goes national, and how it will be run at willowbank as a track championship bracket.
Shootout is OK to run for exhibition and to encourage a new class and the like. Any index racing has to reward the top qualifiers which shootout does not. Also a 16 bike field can be seeded by any tracks software right from round one. "Stops any bitching"
I would suggest run the shootout format for a few more and then adopt what it will be if it ever gets to a national bracket. You are going to have to do it sooner or later.
I know f..k all though so thats just my opinion. Great to see it happening and good luck with it in the future and that dude on the quaka 9r seems as though he may be a natural at it. Good stuff. 
Well done on the .12 Simmo as well. To good for me mate.
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Another wheelie bin ran 9.12 fri night at willowbank and now 9.10 saturday which shows that on a budget the 9.0 index is real. Dan is an ex comp bike racer on a zx10r with bolt on extensions. He is a jockey but still a great achievement. well done mate.
Cmon Zook get the turbo out and show mattturbo a clean rear tail lenses. It's been too long since we seen your bike at the track. Surely you must have some motivation with several running sub 9.5 and a few on the 9.0's.
Maybe the jamboree would be a good meeting for the purple bus to get some track time in and the atmosphere is meant to be great. cheers ian
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Thanks Pete
& as for the sudden death over 16 bikes let it be, if we start bitching as Pete said we will have no event because it will be to hard to run, so what if we get knocked out sometimes 1st run we will be no better off than mod bike anyway 
(08-08-2009, 11:51pm)BLACKZOOK Wrote: Rob in response to your now edited post where the question was what happened to OSB.
IMHO Outlaw was a great format that was let down by people who were gunna build this and that but never did. I stopped running OSB because some leveraged the rules to their own advantage - against the spirit of the event.
A few of us supported it and ran every event even tho we were "cannon fodder" as some call it, but were happy to run anyway. We were running against the big boys and at times kept them honest. I have a very fond memory of eliminating a prominet 7 second bike at Heathcote - he was slightly off his game in that round.
I realised the impact of his loss and walked over to apologise, his response was "I relaxed and you beat me dont apoligise for winning mate it might even be good for others to see that anyone can win and encourage more to give it a go". A gracious winner and looser a very rare thing.
Even cannon fodder can affect the event result or even the champoinship for that matter, we all want to win but isnt just being there trying your hardest the point of racing?
I said that I would dust off the turbo for this new class but the more I see the more of the same it seems to be, so I might just stick with the 250 and trackdays where the whole point is to have fun.
Bruce i figured if every body had a fair crack then we would easily
maintane the numbers and would make it thru a trial year.
i have already heard the slower boys might stay in mod bike were they stand at least a chance of winning, i believe we need to maintane
the class to a minium 10 entrants per event if we are to keep it
as part of the track championship next year.
i hope i am not the reason you will not be entering?
at this stage 8 voted to keep the numbers to fastest 16
and chicargo shout out. that has been forwarded to John Henman
he will look into it once the numbers are there.
National event as per peter's Model of ps/b. Never wanted that to Change.
Regards Robert
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All we now is some good sponsors to come on board & get this event rocking.
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There was going to be a QLDers group(4 to 6) for the next round but the calenders/race dates are the same weekend as ours, oct 10/11. There will be more discussion for the latter rounds now. Leigh
Getting ready to make some noise.
RC Motorcycle Tuning have Decided to to throw some Cash at ps/b,
still in talks with wsid and will let every 1 know the fine details at a later date.
First place for the entire season $1200
second place for the entire season $800
If ps/b is cancelled with out running the full season, Prize money
will be cancelled as well.
Rc Stickers to be fitted on the bike for the full length of the season
to be able to claim the Cash. only 1 set of stickers will issued per bike.
Regards Robert
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