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**Haerera** · 13-09-2008, 11:13am

Which wideband controller for A/F is suitable to run with a PCIIIUSB and rcc stage 1 turbo kit. I have already had one set of pistons lunched by Dyno specialists Knuppel2

and reckon i could do it myself. I,m also running with an .080" base spacer gasket and ur right shredder , no holes were harmed getting the engine back in.
Cheers,
Phil-SA Biker

**TheShredder** · 13-09-2008, 05:47pm

Glad to hear Phil is it going again yet?

shane

13-09-2008, 05:54pm

Haerera Wrote: Which wideband controller for A/F is suitable to run with a PCIIIUSB and rcc stage 1 turbo kit. I have already had one set of pistons lunched by Dyno specialists and reckon i could do it myself. I,m also running with an .080" base spacer gasket and ur right shredder , no holes were harmed getting the engine back in.
Cheers,
Phil-SA

Either this, if you don't mind it being on display and would like portability, or the LC1/DL32 combination to keep it all hidden:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php

**horndog** · 13-09-2008, 09:21pm

Im happy with my wideband commander from Dynojet. Havent used it on a turbo yet but that will change in a couple of weeks. Drool

Ive used it for a couple of years and it does the trick

14-09-2008, 07:34pm

The wideband commander is nice but it can't hold a light to a LM-2 and it costs at least 1/3 more. They also come pre-calibrated and offer no calibration schedule which means that you cannot adjust for sensor degradation over time nor changes in altitude/atmospheric pressure. It's also quite slow-responding (relatively) whereas the LM-2 is fast enough to pick-up individual cylinder misfires.

**horndog** · (This post was last modified: 14-09-2008, 10:56pm by horndog.)

Geri Wrote:The wideband commander is nice but it can't hold a light to a LM-2 and it costs at least 1/3 more. They also come pre-calibrated and offer no calibration schedule which means that you cannot adjust for sensor degradation over time nor changes in altitude/atmospheric pressure. It's also quite slow-responding (relatively) whereas the LM-2 is fast enough to pick-up individual cylinder misfires.

Anyone want to buy a Wideband commander? Embarassed

Geri, I have noticed than it can lag slightly and by slightly I mean .2-.3 of a second.
I have played around with the AFR and RPM smoothing function on the WBC and I believe it makes it easier to analyze the data when it is smoothed and not so fluctuant. Sometimes too much data can be as bad as not enough.

How do you compensate for sensor degradation? I know that they do degrade, but what do you use as a baseline to compare your sensor to?

As far as pricing goes, I have seen the WBC for as little as $429USD on Hardracing.com. I havent seen the innovate cheaper than $479USD.

If you are running a PC3 and a WBC they can be plugged into the new Dynojet LCD to consolidate data if you decide to go down that path.
Just found out there is a new WBC out now WB2.
http://www.dynojetwb2.com/wb2_details.aspx

15-09-2008, 01:28am

With the LM-2, or any of the Innovate products you can perform a free-air calibration at any time.

Funny about the price differences. Over here the LM-2 is Â£300 and the WC is Â£399 to buy.

**Maj** · 16-09-2008, 02:38am

I have a WBO2 made in Canberra, very good unit, also a LC1 innovate , both are used with a innovate logger , , only probs i have are sometimes the connections on the wbo unit fault a little , mostly due to 2 trips to the salt and there not waterproof connections, but i am also having probs with the data from the lc1, where its peaking max lean then max rich, only noticed it since putting in a new sensor, so it may just be that , but then the lc1 is locking up the logger if using the series connection so maybe the LC1 needs attention, if so its the first i have heard of doing this..
AEM have a wideband that is probably the cheapest on the market, not sure on its quality...
there was a comparison done that you may find if you google" wideband comparison"

16-09-2008, 05:02am

Here you go Greg:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/resou...ootout.pdf

**Maj** · 16-09-2008, 01:41pm

Thanks Pete thats the one,good info there
Misses the Aussie units , but i can sort of fill in a gap , the WBO2 has some logging ,the website has clear info on what each units capability .
Microtech have one as does haltech and probably the other ecu manufactures, there all much more expensive than the previously mentioned for i think no greater functionality.

**A^K^T** · 17-09-2008, 12:37am

Some people on the LS1 forums don't mind the PLX wide band controllers .
link

**REVIT13** · 22-11-2008, 11:31pm

this is new for me but would like to get an idea on what most busa owners are using in oz.
ie dynojet wideband
innovate range
what else is there and best value for money/user friendly and the functions. ie anyone using one on a gen 2 or dual injector bike?

**horndog** · 27-12-2008, 03:51pm

Geri Wrote:Either this, if you don't mind it being on display and would like portability, or the LC1/DL32 combination to keep it all hidden:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lm2.php

I was checking out the DL32 the other day and it loooks like you dont get the oxygen sensor with in the DL32 kit. Is that correct?

I assume you need the LC1 as well to get it up and running.

**Maj** · 27-12-2008, 04:59pm

Yep

28-12-2008, 07:18am

The dl32 is just the logger with some inbuilt sensors,the lc1 is just the probe and electronics to measure air fuel.

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