99'ers

[LeeLee]

I'm trying to educate myself on the difference between the early models and the rest. I've found a little myself but would like to know more.
Can anyone link me to any good write ups or discussions?

Cheers.

[Gaz57]

LeeLee,
What have you found? There is not at lot. Speedo, fuel pump, clutch, front axle, an extra fairing bolt and ECU (n bits to go with it).
Gaz

[Dan85]

couples things to check with a 99 firstly they need 2 recalls 1 is the alloy subframe neds to be swapped for a steelone and they should have had the cam chain tensioner mod done if both of thos things are done the 99s are perfect

[NEMESIS]

Alloy subframes arent bad,only if your planning on carrying someone on the back thats
when the steel ones are better/stronger an less prone to cracking...
Many people try to find the alloy ones to make there bike lighter....

[Dan85]

id be dubious putting one on a bike given they hve been proven weak and they hae been around comming up on ten years now

[Gaz57]

Dan85 good point,
forgot about the recalls.
Gaz

[LeeLee]

Yeah, only as you described. (Gaz57) I've found spec sheet comparisons thats all.
Is it just a cult thing?
Are the they more aggresive in throttle response?
Or is it just pub talk spanned from the speedo counter...
They do seem to keep there money.

Thanks for the info on the recalls.

[Volvi]

Im still on the alloy with no probs and bike is 9 yo. Im a solo rider 99% of the time. Yea the 99ers cud say have become a cult thingy. ppl know thats the model suzi always intended the bike to be and yes imho they are definitely more aggressive. Copper/Silver has to be the most sought after one as they are getting harder and harder to find. many are simply keeping them like myself.

PS. a red/black 99'er is just as good. even the 00's. just have to find one that has been looked after with the least owners.

PSS. Its all in the dash lol, 340+ a mark for 350.

[BUSGO]

When I suggested that you learn the differences between the early models and the later models, I did have most of the items listed above in mind and I didn't have time to write this last night.

The 99/00 models have a 350kph speedo,
a 16bit ECU that isn't interchangeable with new bikes,
the fuel tank has 1 litre extra capacity because the pump is fitted in behind the engine and that brings with it some extra issues to worry about.
In the later models the fuel pump is inside the tank to help keep it cool.
The early models that have the external pump often suffer from a bit of fuel vaporisation in hot weather and the original fitted fuel lines are soft rubber that can kink and block the fuel flow if not fitted properly.
The front axle is different on the 1st models and requires a special tool or a home made one to remove it.
The rear subframe is alloy on the 99 model and has a maximumum load limit of 195kg all up on the bike. It is ok and does not tend to break unless overloaded or overstressed by too many wheelies etc. My old bike had the original subframe and never looked like breaking but like VOLVI, I ride solo nearly everywhere.
The subframe was never a recall.
The only recalls on the 99 model were to fix the cam chain adjuster that was not designed to be lubricated on that model and the guides and chain failed as a result.
There were a total of 3 recalls that resulted in a new oil line being run to the automatic adjuster to resolve the issue once and for all.
Later models came with the oil line off the production line.
The clutch on the first couple of models has a lighter action and tended to slip a little easier but an early model with a good clutch is a smoother ride in my opinion.
The early models do not have a clutch sleeve protector down near the front sprocket and as a result, the fluid in the master cylinder gets dirty from chain oil/grease working it's way into the system. This seems to have very little effect on the action of the clutch but looks dirty in the visi guage up on the handlebars.

For some unknown reason the 99/00 models seem to pull harder from a lower rev range than the later GEN 1 models. I don't know why. Maybe its the 16 bit ECU.

I've probably forgotten a couple of minor differences.

[LeeLee]

Well what can i say?
Thanks for your time!

I've obviously come to the right place.

[Madmax]

When I suggested that you learn the differences between the early models and the later models, I did have most of the items listed above in mind and I didn't have time to write this last night.

The 99/00 models have a 350kph speedo,
a 16bit ECU that isn't interchangeable with new bikes,
the fuel tank has 1 litre extra capacity because the pump is fitted in behind the engine and that brings with it some extra issues to worry about.
In the later models the fuel pump is inside the tank to help keep it cool.
The early models that have the external pump often suffer from a bit of fuel vaporisation in hot weather and the original fitted fuel lines are soft rubber that can kink and block the fuel flow if not fitted properly.
The front axle is different on the 1st models and requires a special tool or a home made one to remove it.
The rear subframe is alloy on the 99 model and has a maximumum load limit of 195kg all up on the bike. It is ok and does not tend to break unless overloaded or overstressed by too many wheelies etc. My old bike had the original subframe and never looked like breaking but like VOLVI, I ride solo nearly everywhere.
The subframe was never a recall.
The only recalls on the 99 model were to fix the cam chain adjuster that was not designed to be lubricated on that model and the guides and chain failed as a result.
There were a total of 3 recalls that resulted in a new oil line being run to the automatic adjuster to resolve the issue once and for all.
Later models came with the oil line off the production line.
The clutch on the first couple of models has a lighter action and tended to slip a little easier but an early model with a good clutch is a smoother ride in my opinion.
The early models do not have a clutch sleeve protector down near the front sprocket and as a result, the fluid in the master cylinder gets dirty from chain oil/grease working it's way into the system. This seems to have very little effect on the action of the clutch but looks dirty in the visi guage up on the handlebars.

For some unknown reason the 99/00 models seem to pull harder from a lower rev range than the later GEN 1 models. I don't know why. Maybe its the 16 bit ECU.

I've probably forgotten a couple of minor differences.

Great write up Ray, a couple of things to consider further:
I have an '06, the chain lube is permeating through the clutch fluid reservior. If left unattended/fixed it can result in you having to replace the clutch slave cylinder - I had that happen on my old black and blue when tyhe clutch brake fluid started leaking - thats a bad thing by the way- brake fluid flying around all of those painted surfaces is a very bad thing.

I still need that special tool for the front wheel axle on my '06.


Cheers



Max

[The Wild Wind]

I still have alloy subframe, and I do ride two up, but as every one knows, I ride like a pussy...

[Cam]

Fantastic work Bugso! Even though I've got a a low kms Copper I was never sure of all of the exact changes. Your brief has been printed away & popped in the "Copper File" along with all the orig sales brochures, books etc. Thanx again for your effort.

When I suggested that you learn the differences between the early models and the later models, I did have most of the items listed above in mind and I didn't have time to write this last night.

The 99/00 models have a 350kph speedo,
a 16bit ECU that isn't interchangeable with new bikes,
the fuel tank has 1 litre extra capacity because the pump is fitted in behind the engine and that brings with it some extra issues to worry about.
In the later models the fuel pump is inside the tank to help keep it cool.
The early models that have the external pump often suffer from a bit of fuel vaporisation in hot weather and the original fitted fuel lines are soft rubber that can kink and block the fuel flow if not fitted properly.
The front axle is different on the 1st models and requires a special tool or a home made one to remove it.
The rear subframe is alloy on the 99 model and has a maximumum load limit of 195kg all up on the bike. It is ok and does not tend to break unless overloaded or overstressed by too many wheelies etc. My old bike had the original subframe and never looked like breaking but like VOLVI, I ride solo nearly everywhere.
The subframe was never a recall.
The only recalls on the 99 model were to fix the cam chain adjuster that was not designed to be lubricated on that model and the guides and chain failed as a result.
There were a total of 3 recalls that resulted in a new oil line being run to the automatic adjuster to resolve the issue once and for all.
Later models came with the oil line off the production line.
The clutch on the first couple of models has a lighter action and tended to slip a little easier but an early model with a good clutch is a smoother ride in my opinion.
The early models do not have a clutch sleeve protector down near the front sprocket and as a result, the fluid in the master cylinder gets dirty from chain oil/grease working it's way into the system. This seems to have very little effect on the action of the clutch but looks dirty in the visi guage up on the handlebars.

For some unknown reason the 99/00 models seem to pull harder from a lower rev range than the later GEN 1 models. I don't know why. Maybe its the 16 bit ECU.

I've probably forgotten a couple of minor differences.

[Legend]

I thought 99-00 had an 8 bit ecu,
01 had 16 bit ecu,
02 and up 32 bit ecu??

Leonard.

[pan]

I thought 99-00 had an 8 bit ecu,
01 had 16 bit ecu,
02 and up 32 bit ecu??

Leonard.

You were wrong.
What do you know anyway?