Traction control...

[John]

Hey guys, has anyone looked into traction control for the busa? I'm struggling to find any info on the interweb...

[abusa]

http://www.bazzaz.net/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=21&Itemid=181

[Maj]

Ecu editor has a fairly basic version that it activates within the std ecu.
not so much an active traction control but a rate of accelleration control, pre set by the user that pulls a pre set amount of timing out if the motor increases speed by more than the preset rate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e8zs-2QC68

[BEAU]

I've got your traction control-it's a CBR250RR...

[HPower]

Hey guys, has anyone looked into traction control for the busa? I'm struggling to find any info on the interweb...

Ciao John ;)
here we go!! that's the one I've got on my bike :))

http://www.irccomponents.com/eng/index.p...e=prodotti&cart=description&cid=27&sid=0&sid2=0&sid3=0&IID=37

[aussiemonster]

Hey guys, has anyone looked into traction control for the busa? I'm struggling to find any info on the interweb...

Ciao John ;)
here we go!! that's the one I've got on my bike :))

http://www.irccomponents.com/eng/index.p...e=prodotti&cart=description&cid=27&sid=0&sid2=0&sid3=0&IID=37

How much was the IRC traction control? How effective is it?

[HPower]

Hey guys, has anyone looked into traction control for the busa? I'm struggling to find any info on the interweb...

Ciao John ;)
here we go!! that's the one I've got on my bike :))

http://www.irccomponents.com/eng/index.p...e=prodotti&cart=description&cid=27&sid=0&sid2=0&sid3=0&IID=37

How much was the IRC traction control? How effective is it?

Well bought it 2 years ago for 650 euro .... and works VERY WELL
it gives so to you sooo much confidence, for sure I will fit it on my next bike too .... of course BUSA

[Shifu]

The real traction control for any vehicle, including motorbikes, require wheel speed sensors to detect when the wheel starts to slip. (That is why motorbikes with ABS have it, as the system uses the same sensors.) Any gizmo that does not use wheel speed sensing is a fake, offering nothing more than series of adjustable power modes similar to the ones busa already has - the A, B, and C. As Maj indicated the standard ECU has some provisions for the expansion of them making it more sophisticated, (and requiring a lots of seting) but this is not a traction control in a true sense. It is more of the power delivery control system depending on the gear, speed and how quickly you open the throttle. At the moment there is no real traction control system for a motorbike other than an OEM sytems. So do not get sucked in by the masters of marketing and advertising bullshit. We might need to wait for the next generation of our beloved bike to get it.

[aussiemonster]

Shifu that's not necessarily correct. From what I remember, the new kwaka ZX10 uses traction control without wheel sensors, it manages wheel spin by detecting spikes in engine revs. It is much more than just a power down setting. As always, there is more than one way to skin a cat. That doesn't mean all the after market ones will work, but it is possible.

[Bill Gaheer]

Shifu that's not necessarily correct. From what I remember, the new kwaka ZX10 uses traction control without wheel sensors, it manages wheel spin by detecting spikes in engine revs. It is much more than just a power down setting. As always, there is more than one way to skin a cat. That doesn't mean all the after market ones will work, but it is possible.

+1

[Shifu]

Shifu that's not necessarily correct. From what I remember, the new kwaka ZX10 uses traction control without wheel sensors, it manages wheel spin by detecting spikes in engine revs. It is much more than just a power down setting. As always, there is more than one way to skin a cat. That doesn't mean all the after market ones will work, but it is possible.

I take your point man, however as a mechanical engineer I doubt very much the reliability of the system that uses anything but the wheels speed comparison to determine if the rear wheel is spinning. Of course I agree that the engine revs will spike as soon as the rear will loose the traction but I doubt whether this method is as reliable. Without doubt it is cheaper and that probably justifies it's use for marketing bamboozle if nothing else, but personally I would not consider it technically speaking a real traction control. There is no more reliable method of detecting the wheel spin than comarison between the front and the rear. Wouldn't you agree?

[Maj]

This is interesting ,as cars with traction control don't have a front wheel airborne varible, what happens with a comparitive wheel sensor srrangement as the front wheel slows and rear is still accellerating ,does it become wheelie controll too ???
I should be able to let you know how effective the editor version is after Sept when i will be using it on the salt,

[aussiemonster]

Shifu that's not necessarily correct. From what I remember, the new kwaka ZX10 uses traction control without wheel sensors, it manages wheel spin by detecting spikes in engine revs. It is much more than just a power down setting. As always, there is more than one way to skin a cat. That doesn't mean all the after market ones will work, but it is possible.

I take your point man, however as a mechanical engineer I doubt very much the reliability of the system that uses anything but the wheels speed comparison to determine if the rear wheel is spinning. Of course I agree that the engine revs will spike as soon as the rear will loose the traction but I doubt whether this method is as reliable. Without doubt it is cheaper and that probably justifies it's use for marketing bamboozle if nothing else, but personally I would not consider it technically speaking a real traction control. There is no more reliable method of detecting the wheel spin than comarison between the front and the rear. Wouldn't you agree?

I agree that measuring wheel speed should be more reliable as you're measuring the exact feature that you want to control. The effectiveness of the engine speed monitoring system is much more dependent on the computing power and software of the system as it has to be able to take into account other variables and the time lag between tyre slip and engine speed increase. But these days when my phone has more computing power than many computers of only a few years ago, that is becoming less of a drawback.