Sydney Notes
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There was lots of stuff talked about but here is a collation of notes on some of the subjects we talked about.Thanks again to Colin for his time,effort and expertise for the weekend and reviewing these notes before they got posted. As if he hadn't had enough of us on Saturday! Colin- Sorry bout the traminer but it was either that or a slab of gatorade. LOL
Apologies to Richard and Keith for the misinformation about the ignition timing not being affected by the gear selector sensor.

Regards All - Jim


ALL INFORMATION IS INCOMPLETE AND IS ONLY MEANT AS A REMINDER FOR SOME OF THE SUBJECTS SPOKEN ABOUT IN SYDNEY. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.


1/.        Gear Selector Sensor (Pink wire)
       
        This sensor indicates to the ECM which gear the bike is in so the ECM can adjust fueling and ignition timing for each gear. Cutting the pink wire may make the bike run leaner at higher speeds in 5th and 6th. Taking the resistors (4) out of the sensor reverts the fueling to neutral setting for 1st through to 4th. 5th and 6th are then fueled up as air box pressure rises. A better result will be had.
       
2/.        Throttle Position Sensor

This sets up a base from which the ECM works for fueling throughout the rpm range. It is critical to set this up correctly. Set incorrectly the fueling will be all over the place, power and rideability will suffer. The correct setting is 1.120 volts at 1150rpm. Use a good digital meter for this.

3/.        Air Filter Flapper

Air filter flapper assists with control of airflow in the air box which differs as speed increases or decreases. Removal of the flapper mechanism can gain a couple of hp. All remaining edges need to be bevelled especially where air changes direction so turbulence does not minimize volume and flow of air box. Richard has found a plumbing fitting that can be used to block the bottom hole beautifully (once cut out). Changing the position of long and short intake ducts has not been found to have any benefits and can in fact cause air flow problems through the air box.

4/.        Back Torque Limiter

The welding of the back torque limiter besides stopping that “clunk” can also reduce rear wheel locking on down change due to not exerting locking pressure on the clutch. This welding must be done in a jig to disallow movement from welding and is position specific. (make sure they know what they are doing if you get it done)

5/.        Throttle Bodies

We viewed some throttle bodies that had been taken out to 48mm from the standard 46mm. Looked very impressive but is not necessary unless more work is done as the standard bodies outflow they factory head.


6/.        Cam Timing

The standard cam gears are pressed on and have been known to be out from factory which can obviously effect performance a little or a lot. Adjustable gears are available where the gear locator is pressed on and the actual gear is bolted on to the locator through adjustable slots. Now you can time your cams where you want them to be.


7/.        Fuel and Injector Cleaning

Octane rating (the higher the rating the slower the fuel burns lessening the chance of detonation and engine damage and allows power to be produced all the way through the power stroke) is increased by the addition of either one of two additives. One leaves a lot more residue on valves and pistons etc causing amongst other things hot spots and flow problems. This additive is used in most premium fuels. Exceptions are Optimax and the new Caltex fuel. (Caltex are in the process of changing over and flushing their tanks so wait for a while) Optimax also contains an injector cleaning agent.

Outcomes:        a/. Use Optimax with only an octane
booster, which will have a rating
closer to 100
        b./ Use the new Caltex fuel under same
conditions as Optimax once the tanks
have been cleaned.
c/. If unable to do the above use normal
unleaded with an octane booster and
injector cleaner until other fuel is
found.


8/.        Cam Chain Tensioner

The cam chain tensioner recall has fitted an hydraulic tensioner which is obviously better than the standard units fitted to early bikes. The hydraulic unit adjusts via oil line connected to the tensioner. This creates a situation where the tension depends on oil pressure, which can vary and is also affected by oil thickness ( viscosity). This can affect engine component wear and excessive drag on the cam chain taking some precious hp away. There is a manual tensioner available that can avoid some of this but must be fitted and adjusted properly.

9/.        Oils

Suzuki recommend mineral oil. Stick with it. There are some issues of wear and clutch slip with synthetic.



TIP OF THE DAY
To remove melted DriRider pants from exhaust collector run on dyno after which it falls off.


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#2
Also need to thank Keith (176) and Linda for their hospitality and capping off our stay in Sydney. Keith can sing too,if anyone ones to manipulate that information at a later date. Sorry Keith lol. Take care
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#3
Thanks for that Jim, very interesting read and informative.

No doubt many may wish expand on those individual topics, which would be a good idea in seperate topics.

Also many thanks again to Col & Julia on behalf of the club for all the sweat they put into it, hope you stocked up on your gatorade.
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#4
Doesn't mind the Gatorade, Colin.

Jim - I think the point about how to remove melted dririder deserves a topic of its own

Actually, it was Les who found the plumbing device to plug the hole in the air box.

And Keith's singing! Well, what can I add to what hasn't already been said about that

Thanks, Jim, for writing that up. I feel a bit embarrassed following up that with my summary. Rather than cover the notes, I decided just to list the things discussed, and people can ask questions on them. I doubt that I will be able to accurately answer those questions, but someone will... As Volvi suggested, start a new topic on the relevant point.

Quote: COLIN LINNEY (drag bike racer, and joint owner/manager of 10 Tenths):

Throttle Position Sensor and importance of correct set up.

Gear Position Sensor, Pink Wire, and de-soldering GPS resistors.

Air boxes and air filters, and how to maximize their potential.

Clutches and Back Torque Limiters.

Cam-Chaint Tensioner, Manuel vs Automatic

Fuels, Fuel Additives (Much input here from Peter Shields from Wynnes - Yes people, it is definitely worth paying the extra for Optimax, but avoid the other Premium Unleadeds (Although, soon the Caltex will be a go-er, too))

Cam shafts, cam timing, and adjustable gears to get cam timing correct.

Rev-limitors - Do we want to go past them, if we have done the engine work to ensure the engine will cope? (In a word, no...)

Engine reliability - How long before we are going to need serious engine rebuilding. (Hey everyone, we got a good one, and (CCT's aside) we should see over 100,000 on many odometers before serious problems!)

Valves, and valve gunk build up (from low quality fuel additives).

Fuel injection throttle bodies.

Pistons and high compression.

Stacks - short stacks, long stacks, are there any benefits in mixing them up, changing them around. (Again, simple answer is no).

Oils (again, much input from Peter) - Do not use synthetic oil in your Hayabusa. Stay with the Suzuki recommendation of mineral oils. Colin likes the Penzoil 10W30 (is that right, Colin, someone else told me I should only use a 10W50).

STEVE HOOKER (metallurgist and drag bike racer):

Metallurgy of engine

Con-rods, removal of grinding imperfections which are weak points (cracks waiting to happen). Hey, this sort of stuff is crucial when serious engine mods are being undertaken, but not necessary if you only ride to and from the shops to pick up your cigarettes.

How Kryotreatment (spel??) uses cooling to harden components (such as gears) to remove weak points (again, every weak point is a crack waiting to happen).

Gear boxes in general.

Crank Shafts.

PETER SHIELDS (fuel injection specialist from Wynnes):

Re-iterated about fuels and fuel selection.

Tested the contents of our tanks (some eye-opening results with the crap some of us are combusting).

COLIN:

Dyno master. Boy,did he sweat in there (boy, did the dyno sweat after doing all those Busas)

It is official, blue Busas go faster

It is also official, kicking in the Nytro on a Bandit 1200 at 5,000 rpm makes a vertical line on power graphs and blows clutches.

Thanks Colin, Julia, Steve, and Peter. I really appreciated how you made it clear what statements were fact and what statements were opinion. Edited by: demeester  at: 2/28/01 11:46:45 am
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#5
Peter Shields has asked me to make the following notes:

To be clear, Optimax is 98 octane, and the octane booster is what lifts it to 100.

The Caltex product will be marketed as Caltex Vortex. This will be as good as Optimax, and the advice re: waiting till tanks are flushed is good advice, particularly given the smaller quantities of fuel taken on by a bike.

BP are to release a new fuel on the maket, soon, and this new product is the same as Optimax (Peter believes). The optinion is, again, to wait a while for the storage tanks to flush.
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""1/. Gear Selector Sensor (Pink wire)

This sensor indicates to the ECM which gear the bike is in so the ECM can adjust fueling and ignition timing for each gear. Cutting the pink wire may make the bike run leaner at higher speeds in 5th and 6th. Taking the resistors (4) out of the sensor reverts the fueling to neutral setting for 1st through to 4th. 5th and 6th are then fueled up as air box pressure rises. A better result will be had.
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Am I not correct in thinking that the neutral map has a lower rev ceiling than any of the other gears??...all controlled by the GPS.

Why would you want to invoke this??
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#7
Dearest No Balls,

Ever concidered that different markets have different ECM's. Once again this is beyond you.

Please leave your petty comments to some other board. Hopefully a pommy one. Being a pom, I understand you have some self imposed problems, but try not to share them with us all.

If you have'nt got the drift by now, I suppose you never will.

Regards Col
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