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Gen 2 1441 with stock head - G-MAN - 08-11-2011
Looking at fitting a 1441 kit, was goin to leave the head alone and just dialing in std cams....
Can anyone advise me of any short comings of just increasing capacity.
Not chasing outright horsepower just want to give it more grunt in the bottom and mid range area.
Thanks Gareth
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - simmo - 09-11-2011
(08-11-2011, 08:27pm)G-MAN Wrote: Looking at fitting a 1441 kit, was goin to leave the head alone and just dialing in std cams....
Can anyone advise me of any short comings of just increasing capacity.
Not chasing outright horsepower just want to give it more grunt in the bottom and mid range area.
Thanks Gareth
No short comings with mine just a bit extra HP, just don't go to high on the compression if you want to run pump gas
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - G-MAN - 09-11-2011
No short comings with mine just a bit extra HP, just don't go to high on the compression if you want to run pump gas
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The pistons are JE 13:5:1.. ok ?
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - Maj - 09-11-2011
Can i help you blow the budget and suggest a good aftermarket inlet cam and put your inlet on exhaust
something like http://www.psychobike.com/forums/garage-sale/90214-gen2-web-cams-busa.html
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - BLACKZOOK - 09-11-2011
Mate get the head done with cams to take advantage of the 1441.
Or you could wait a while as my block pistons head and cams will soon be for sale.
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - G-MAN - 09-11-2011
(09-11-2011, 05:54pm)Maj Wrote: Can i help you blow the budget and suggest a good aftermarket inlet cam and put your inlet on exhaust
something like http://www.psychobike.com/forums/garage-sale/90214-gen2-web-cams-busa.html
Just asking only ...can these be used on a stock head?
(09-11-2011, 06:47pm)BLACKZOOK Wrote: Mate get the head done with cams to take advantage of the 1441.
Or you could wait a while as my block pistons head and cams will soon be for sale.
Mmmm.....how long before you put up for sale and how much?
Just need to know before I commit to this block and pistons .
Pm me
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - Maj - 10-11-2011
You would need to check valve guide clearance, i believe there good to .395 or so lift but if getting close its always good to check , and not hard to drive the guides in deeper while the head is off
Would need upgrade valve springs from APE also,
You getting the piston/cyl kit from APE ?
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - G-MAN - 10-11-2011
(10-11-2011, 08:08am)Maj Wrote: You would need to check valve guide clearance, i believe there good to .395 or so lift but if getting close its always good to check , and not hard to drive the guides in deeper while the head is off
Would need upgrade valve springs from APE also,
You getting the piston/cyl kit from APE ?
Some how I think my budget is goin to suffer ...
The piston kit is comin from a different supplier in the states,they are doin piston kits for just under $550 landed ,the barrels are gen 2 that I believe been bored and plated by APE .
So I'm hoping they should still match up ....
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - Maj - 10-11-2011
How much total with the cyls ?
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - simmo - 10-11-2011
(10-11-2011, 05:08pm)Maj Wrote: How much total with the cyls ?
I was warned not to bore out gen2 cylinders that far, there is a small chance of them cracking
Thats why we all have been doing gen1 cylinders, bit hard to get any warranty, not that you will get any anyway
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - G-MAN - 10-11-2011
(10-11-2011, 05:08pm)Maj Wrote: How much total with the cyls ?
Looking at just under $1500 for barrels ,pistons and gaskets ,still need to buy slotted cam gears
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - Maj - 11-11-2011
If you have not already committed, look at the APE
http://www.hayabusazone.com/pbe.html $897 changover cyls,
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - fasterfaster - 11-11-2011
You can cheapen it even more by doing the changeover as you can use a set of scored barrels and then sell your good one's off for good bucks
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - Maj - 11-11-2011
If you can find scored cyls Pete ?? i'm looking for a set now ,
thinking of a 1407 combo for the landspeed bike to put me out of the 1350 class and not have conflict with the guy whos fairing moulds i am borrowing
RE: Gen 2 1441 with stock head - GRUNTMAX - 12-11-2011
Nobody wants a Gen2 Block.
...looks like G-Man will need to knock his OEM valve guides out & bung some APE Valve Guides in.
...decisions, decisions
Water Cooled-US$2000 for Block Only
http://www.schnitzracingstore.com/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=2345234&showprevnext=1
Non Water Cooled
http://www.mpsracing.com/products/MPS/Cylinder_Piston.asp
Cams-New & Core Required
http://www.mpsracing.com/products/MPS/WebCam.asp
OEM Gen1
http://www.bikebandit.com/2004-suzuki-gsx1300rz/o/m6161#sch503460