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Accident Lessons re Kit - steventh - 11-08-2009
Folks,
A little while ago the someone lowsided her bike. Fortunately all is well with only superficial damage done to her and the bike. The bike came down and slid across the other side of the road comming to rest on top of her. The accident happend on a sunny day on a dry road and the person wasn't speeding (ie just bad luck due to inexperience).
Lessons learnt about kit.
Full face helmet is a must. The left side of the visor and the top left side is deeply scarred. Without a full face helmet half her face would have been left on the road.
Leather jacket is a must. Her leather jacket is deeply scratched on the left hand side shoulder, left arm and side where she hit and slid across the road. The jacket is still intact and useable but again saved her. Only damage is bruising.
Pants - she was wearing Draggins and these were better than jeans but given the damage sustained by the jacket not as good as leather. The kevlar at the knee split and she "grazed" her knee. Im sure that with leather this would not have occured (re comments on leather jacket).
Something "melted" into the wound (we thought the lycra from her leggings but they were pure wool so pehaps the Kevlar). 8 hour wait in the Emergency room (just to be sure) and vigourous scrubbing of the wound by the doctor (under local anesthetic) could not remove the material that is fused to the flesh. Hopefully it will slough off when healing. The "melting" would not occur with leather either.
In the category of " I was gunna" - leather pants were to be our next purchase for country trips. If only she had planned her off until after we bought them. Guess whats next on our shopping list, before the bike is repaired???
Gloves - again leather - are there any other kind? Hers had kevlar pads on the knuckle which were almost worn through on one side. I dont know if Kevlar is necessary but certainly a double layer of leaather or padding on the knuckles is a must.
Boots - must be leather with ankle and shin protection. I forgot about them because despite sliding across the road and comming to rest with the bike on top (a passer by had to lift it off) her ankles etc were fine. I noticed some scraping on the boots but as no injury didn't look further.
My advice, especially for newbies. It costs a lot to get a bike on the road. An extra $1k for kit is hardly justifiable because you wont have an accident right? Pay the extra and get the leather kit. You can get it relatively inexpensively on ebay.
Still not convinced that you need this stuff. Think of this. You would want to be properly kitted if you just happened to be happily and safely riding along in the other direction when the person and her bike slid across into your lane.........ouch!!
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - ROD - 11-08-2009
(11-08-2009, 09:57am)steventh Wrote: Pants - she was wearing Draggins and these were better than jeans but given the damage sustained by the jacket not as good as leather. The kevlar at the knee split and she "grazed" her knee. Im sure that with leather this would not have occured (re comments on leather jacket).
I to slid down the road with dragins pants and i to had burn to my leg something must be in these sort of pants ,But they stayed in one piece with just a couple of little scuffs
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - busakid08 - 11-08-2009
hit teh road hard enough and draggins wont stop shit they will split and leave nice bit of burnt skin and fabric and a hole in your knee - leather for me been there done that ... heaps better than normal jeans I agree and fine if you sliding down the roda on your arse but if you high side and hit hard leather the only way to go :)
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - Resn8 - 11-08-2009
Just my 2 cents worth but Draggin deans aren't worth shit, About 10 weeks ago i was hit by a truck whilst ridding my K1200s through Kinglake, i sustained 5 broken vertebrae from T5 to T10, 3 broken ribs under my right Peck, torn ligaments in me left knee and 2 breaks in my right thumb and some minor grazes on my right shin, i was air lifted to the Alfred were i stayed for 7 days.
The gear was wearing was Icon Strongarm Denim jacket and a pair of Icon Anthem denim pants with alpine-stars GP boots and Icon pursuit gloves, the comment mate by the Ambos were that the gear i was wearing was harder to cut off than leather gear.
So if your going to wear Denim make sure it 14 oz or heavier and Kevlar lined and not Draggin crap. but Ultimately Leather is best!
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - bioDog - 11-08-2009
(11-08-2009, 10:56am)Resn8 Wrote: Just my 2 cents worth but Draggin deans aren't worth shit, About 10 weeks ago i was hit by a truck whilst ridding my K1200s through Kinglake, i sustained 5 broken vertebrae from T5 to T10, 3 broken ribs under my right Peck, torn ligaments in me left knee and 2 breaks in my right thumb and some minor grazes on my right shin, i was air lifted to the Alfred were i stayed for 7 days.So how fast were you going and how did the Anthem pants hold up, as i have a pair i use around town ?
The gear was wearing was Icon Strongarm Denim jacket and a pair of Icon Anthem denim pants with alpine-stars GP boots and Icon pursuit gloves, the comment mate by the Ambos were that the gear i was wearing was harder to cut off than leather gear.
So if your going to wear Denim make sure it 14 oz or heavier and Kevlar lined and not Draggin crap. but Ultimately Leather is best!
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - Resn8 - 11-08-2009
(11-08-2009, 02:58pm)bioDog Wrote:(11-08-2009, 10:56am)Resn8 Wrote: Just my 2 cents worth but Draggin deans aren't worth shit, About 10 weeks ago i was hit by a truck whilst ridding my K1200s through Kinglake, i sustained 5 broken vertebrae from T5 to T10, 3 broken ribs under my right Peck, torn ligaments in me left knee and 2 breaks in my right thumb and some minor grazes on my right shin, i was air lifted to the Alfred were i stayed for 7 days.So how fast were you going and how did the Anthem pants hold up, as i have a pair i use around town ?
The gear was wearing was Icon Strongarm Denim jacket and a pair of Icon Anthem denim pants with alpine-stars GP boots and Icon pursuit gloves, the comment mate by the Ambos were that the gear i was wearing was harder to cut off than leather gear.
So if your going to wear Denim make sure it 14 oz or heavier and Kevlar lined and not Draggin crap. but Ultimately Leather is best!
I was doing 80ks when i got hit from the side.
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - steventh - 11-08-2009
Folks,
I thought I would post the info having been at the accident and aftermath. It reinforced an earlier thread about gear where i posted another rider that was in a group I was riding who came off wearing Draggins.
As the pants are loose they twisted and Kevlar did not protect his knees - in this case he shredded his knees to the bone - not a great result for protective pants.
Again, this accident didn't occur at excessive speeds.
Cheers
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - Ozboc - 11-08-2009
i wear leathers ( jacket and pants ) winter AND summer --- was asked by a fellow rider at work ( fireblade) said you like to get dressed up to go home huh - how far is it .. 30 min ?
i replied yes - 30 min ride -- i get all hot and sweaty - BUT i would rather have a 10 min shower when i get home to wash off the stinky sweat than 3 months of skin grafts - YOU con not predict when your going to have an off and would rather be ready than not ready ....
he seen my point
Busaboc
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - bigfoot - 11-08-2009
man i'll be getting my leather pants to go with the jacket and sidi race boots, least than i'll feel a bit safer when i'm riding!
RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - ohdear - 11-08-2009
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RE: Accident Lessons re Kit - 276995 - 11-08-2009
As far as the comment about leather and Ebay earlier in this thread I am real pleased with both the jacket and pants I got.
I figured for the price if it was crap it wouldnt matter but as an example I payed $120 for the pants, http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120424097493 and $129 for the jacket http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300316929587
both brand new with tags.
Fantastic value, and great service.
No this is not an add as I am not connected to either of these guys but was super impressed when they arrived.
Postage costs were good as well.