kawasuki Wrote:

Louwai Wrote:

1300hayabusa Wrote:Typical ignorant response when confronted with the truth!!!!
safe riding buddy

One of the causes of conflict is when one person or group tries to push their beliefs on another person or group.

In this forum I have put forward my observasions (not necessarily my beliefs), in a non agressive manner, for others to comment on if they wish, in a civil & respectful exchange.

You have attacked me personally, not knowing who I am or where I come from, for not agreeing with your views.
You have also abused & insulted me because I do not (in your eyes) conform to your way of thinking.

That, my friend, is EXACTLY why there is so much racial tension in the world today, because one group can't live with the fact that another group believes something different.

Just tell him to farkoff

spamanglenn Wrote:I don,t think people expect new members of this country to give up their heritage,religion and traditions.Its only when new Australians put these things before the laws of the country and claim racism so they can continue living outside the laws and courteouses of the country they have chosen to live.That means paying tax,not scamming pensions for family members who don,t live here,not using medicare to buy cheap pills here to send back to grandma overseas,Not expecting an employer to give you x amount of time to pray each day.Thats where the resentment lies in actions like this.This is Australia,many cultures live here in many different ways within the laws and rules of not annoying those around you,if these laws clash with any culture or religion it is up to those people to assess their place of residence like everyone else has to,not for the laws to change to suit them.Australian is very much a soft touch.Try going to japan to start up a business without any japanese employees.Regardless of redneck labelling i fail to see the problem with retaining some core integrity with the Australian way of life.Everyone has a point of view and often more respect goes to the migrants that did come over on a boat and made something of themselves,provided they didn,t make all there money in griffith.

Louwai Wrote:

kawasuki Wrote:Just tell him to farkoff

Not worth it Kawa, Ruben just wants to keep on going & going.
Now he has even started modifying my previous posts in his replies so that they reflect more to his subject rather than my original concept.
There are planty of other "racial" comments in this thread, but for some reason he's decided to ignore them & just pick on me.

I wonder if he actually read the first few words in my first reply where I said "I agree with you".

Funny thing is, through this whole exchange, Ruben has made the assumption that I am Australian.
Not once has he asked if I have ever been the victim of racism.
I wonder if he has ever had an automatic weapon held to his head in a racial incident / situation. I certainly have & it's not something I care to encounter again, along with many other racial incidents over the years where I was the target.

I think I'll just leave it at that............

1300hayabusa Wrote: so acceptance without segragation and the willingness to adapt,integrate and fit in without losing identity should be a priority for all.

Macbusa Wrote:

1300hayabusa Wrote: so acceptance without segragation and the willingness to adapt,integrate and fit in without losing identity should be a priority for all.

We have a high amount of Sudanese (spelling?) aka: people from sudan, here in Toowoomba, they don't really segregate in just one suburb, they work in with our normal jobs in town and they don't cause much ruckus. There is very little violence from them and they try to fit into our culture (clothes, food and housing, schools) Overall, I'm happy they have that mentality and i have respect for them.

I have seen (and heard from mates) that certain nationalities segregate and don't want to adapt or even wanna learn very basic english (some places in sydney I'm thinking of) and where you get charged more cause your not 'their' nationality.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if people migrate into Australia, and adapt our culture, our way of life, our laws, i am more than happy to accept them as Australians, but it's the ones that come here and think the laws don't apply to them, bring their problems with them, and have no interest in calling themselves an Australian (except for a peice of paper).. there the ones we should get f*&^ing rid off...

debandee Wrote:An observation through history...
Seeing as a 'certain someone' wants us to be historical or hysterical...

Throughout history we have had conflict between pretty much every major (and minor) ethnic group.
The Catholics and the Protestants are well known in Ireland for their ongoing hatred. I remember an article about an Australian tourist being beating because he didn't care to answer The Challenge, "Catholic or Protestant?"
South Africa (where I'm from - and am therefore fuly qualified, with Honours, to speak on racisim) has not only had black on white problems (white on black problems, if you prefer) but also inter-tribal tiffs that make westernised warfare pale in comparrison. Further north in Africa, countries have been defined by the number of lives taken.
In South America; I've stayed in countries where the mention of a neighbouring country wil cause the people in the immediate vicinity to spit on the ground.
In Europe; religion and sex has played it's part in creating borders and cultural boundries.
In the UK... well, they got tired of one religion and invented another. The next queen to come in and decided the first Pretend Friend was the best and then gave her name to a rather revoltng cocktail.

Here come's the inflammatory bit...
Each of these conflicts is individual. The problems associated with each 'hotspot' are just that - hot in one spot and not global.
Look at history; EVERYWHERE the muslims have settled there has been conflict.
Middle East (one country refuses to recognise Israel and wants them wiped out)
North Africa, West Africa, East Africa, Southern Africa
Europe - both West and East
Malaysia, Indonesia and most of the Pacific Rim
I don't America personally but I don't think bringing buildings down decides much either way.

My experience with Muslim and Islam is limited. By choice. I don't believe in anyone or any dogma that forces me in one way or another. Live and Let Live; not Live and Let Die.

My observation in this thread (if it hasn't been cancelled yet and 1300 put on probabtion for personal attacks on forum members - a good suggestion if any moderators are listening)
is that cultural intergration in not perfect. It's not supposed to be otherwise we lose our identity.
Don't be backwards in going forwards either; it's why I ride a Busa. Look at history and learn, but look also at the history of other countries and learn too.

I'm leaving a lot unsaid because I would love to see debate - not personal attacks on people because they have an opinion

1300hayabusa Wrote:

kawasuki Wrote:

Louwai Wrote:

1300hayabusa Wrote:Typical ignorant response when confronted with the truth!!!!
safe riding buddy

One of the causes of conflict is when one person or group tries to push their beliefs on another person or group.

In this forum I have put forward my observasions (not necessarily my beliefs), in a non agressive manner, for others to comment on if they wish, in a civil & respectful exchange.

You have attacked me personally, not knowing who I am or where I come from, for not agreeing with your views.
You have also abused & insulted me because I do not (in your eyes) conform to your way of thinking.

That, my friend, is EXACTLY why there is so much racial tension in the world today, because one group can't live with the fact that another group believes something different.

Just tell him to farkoff

[/i]Im sorry Ray I just realised that if I fcuked off it would be ideal for you:no one posting better prices or having a choice.