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RE: Remote oil filter installation - DAVE01 - 15-02-2011
(14-02-2011, 10:24pm)Shifu Wrote: Thanks everyone for their input. It seems we have more philosophers than mechanics among our midst
Thanks again to everyone who took the time to respond.
This is the set up i'm about to run on my Chev
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKBs6KGcgwI
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RE: Remote oil filter installation - fasterfaster - 15-02-2011
One of the best points about a Busa is it's been around for over ten years now ................ all the weak spots have been explored tried and proven. Many times over and over again.
Maj is a good example as the power and extreme conditions his bike engines see in his many salt lake expeditions far exceeds any that the normal Busa will ever see.
But good luck in the R&D remembering that it's only a by pass filter not a full flow and also pressure guages do not measure or have any reference to flow rate. You can have plenty of one without any of the other.
Personally any guy flogging a "high performance" filter that doesn't even know the correct name for a banjo bolt or connector I wouldn't go near his product.
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Bill Gaheer - 15-02-2011
Shifu,
Please dont do it Mate, listen to the experts here on the forum - (this is the key strength of the forum), Maj, Pete, Legend and many more - will warn you against this - these are all the people whom I will trust and act on their recommendation.
Dont want to see you spending time and labour on things which may break after this test.
Cheers,
Bill
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Shifu - 15-02-2011
(15-02-2011, 07:44am)fasterfaster Wrote: One of the best points about a Busa is it's been around for over ten years now ................ all the weak spots have been explored tried and proven. Many times over and over again.
Maj is a good example as the power and extreme conditions his bike engines see in his many salt lake expeditions far exceeds any that the normal Busa will ever see.
But good luck in the R&D remembering that it's only a by pass filter not a full flow and also pressure guages do not measure or have any reference to flow rate. You can have plenty of one without any of the other.
Personally any guy flogging a "high performance" filter that doesn't even know the correct name for a banjo bolt or connector I wouldn't go near his product.
Appreciate your advice. Point taken into consideration and my main filter is still in place. Knowing the pressure and the cross section of the piping it is easy to calculate the flow velocity and then the volume over time. If i get at least 45-50 psi at the filter's outlet I think I'll be safe. If not, I will blame it on the ECU you re-flashed
Remember that Edison invented the lightglobe and he wasn't an electrician
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Landmine - 16-02-2011
Some people just need a hobby?
RE: Remote oil filter installation - drworm - 16-02-2011
Where are you actually planning on mounting it?
As someone already asked, will there be drainback issues, and is it particulate contamination that typically determines if oil is at the end of it's servicable life?
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Shifu - 17-02-2011
(16-02-2011, 05:38am)drworm Wrote: Where are you actually planning on mounting it?
As someone already asked, will there be drainback issues, and is it particulate contamination that typically determines if oil is at the end of it's servicable life?
The filter is mounted under the rear seat's cowling. I will post some pictures once I finish. Drain back is as much of an issue as with your standard filter. It is only a loop between main and sub galleries so the the check valve on the standard filter still works the same way as before preventing oil from draining into the sump. I am going to do oil analysis every 5000km and the results will determine the change intervals. Information from the manufacturer suggests (apparently basedon tests) that the oil changes are not necessary but I am not convinced. While the base will last forever, the additives package will eventually break down. Will see.
(15-02-2011, 12:20am)DAVE01 Wrote:(14-02-2011, 10:24pm)Shifu Wrote: Thanks everyone for their input. It seems we have more philosophers than mechanics among our midst
Thanks again to everyone who took the time to respond.
This is the set up i'm about to run on my Chev
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKBs6KGcgwI
I heard a lot of good feedback about the setups like you are planning to do. Some are not sure about the performance of Amisol filters but I have not seen any real performance data. You are lucky to have so much room under the bonet. The Trabolt filers are really designed for cars and trucks. I believe it will be first bike with it. And maybe last
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Shifu - 26-02-2011
Finally all is connected and checked. Added extra 0.75l of oil to compensate for the hoses and filter's housing volume.
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LHS of engine - oil to filter and return
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RHS of engine - take off to the upper gallery relocated from oposite side
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After the deep breath the starter was pressed and all is good. No leaks, no smoke. Oil pressure at 70psi (3000rpm) on the filter's outlet. After warm-up at 6000 rpm some backfiring due to ignition timing or very rich A/F miture. Needs the tunup after the ECU reflush and oil test after the first 5000 km to se how the filter is performing.
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Pommie - 26-02-2011
Good luck but I'm still buggered if I can see the reasoning behind it other than because you can
RE: Remote oil filter installation - DAVE01 - 27-02-2011
neat job Shifu
I will be interested to see how it goes,in theory it should keep the oil cleaner longer
RE: Remote oil filter installation - drworm - 27-02-2011
Well I cant wait for the 150,000 kilometer update!!
I assume you plan on owning this bike forever!
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Bizket - 27-02-2011
(13-02-2011, 07:51pm)Pommie Wrote: My interpretation of oil degredation is the fact with use its lubrication properties decrease, the filter doesn't change the chemical/mineral composition of the oil. The filter merely filters out solid contaminants, I could be mistaken but I've been in the car trade for a considerable time. If your fitting a busa engine to a sand buggy for example then yes, as you would probably be running a dry sump system due to the nature of what you're doing with the buggy... ie off roading, getting air time etc in which case it would be the go. Anyway good luck..
Nice Work Shifu the pics look good
I have to agree with "Pommie" I worked for years at Castrol and have seen many motors destroyed in short and long term tests and It normally came back to the Chemical/mineral Composition of the oil and the molecular lubricating properties of the oil.
I like the effort and If anything it would make a great seat heater for the pillion in winter.
RE: Remote oil filter installation - fasterfaster - 28-02-2011
Neat fitment Andrew ................ I would bang a gauge on and just check if any delay in time to reach pressure after start up from cold and also if you ever have to return to dealer for warranty make sure you remove it as they will knock you back on warranty repair.
After all they knock back warranty even if a PC fitted
RE: Remote oil filter installation - Shifu - 28-02-2011
(28-02-2011, 04:46am)fasterfaster Wrote: Neat fitment Andrew ................ I would bang a gauge on and just check if any delay in time to reach pressure after start up from cold and also if you ever have to return to dealer for warranty make sure you remove it as they will knock you back on warranty repair.
After all they knock back warranty even if a PC fitted
Pete,
The check valve in my "standard" oil filter (PL 14610) does its job beautifully preveting drain back. I can see the pressure rising already while cranking and have almost full pressure from the first firing.
As to the warranty issue I have told the dealer that they will never see this bike back in their workshop after some very ordinary pre-delivery service. I am better off keeping it away from such "makanics"
Any serious problem would have already showed up - 4000km.By the way I blocked that PAIR hose and the backfiring stopped like a magic. Noticed that it goes to 12500 rpm though before I can hear the ignition cutting out. I am guessing you have given it some extra rpm during the reflash
Thanks Peter.(16-02-2011, 12:36am)Landmine Wrote: Some people just need a hobby?
That is easy mate, just get a busa and you have it